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Thanks fellows, will follow your advice, will get this tire on yet!!!!
 

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I have to make a little change here. I was thinking rear tire for some reason. You may have a little difficulty kneeling on the tire if you have brake rotors on both sides. You may want to use blocking or a bucket. If you can't kneel on the tire, try a clamp of some type. What you want to do is get the tire bead that's closest to you to pull into the drop center as you work you way up the tire. That will give you a little more slack (if I can use that term) to pull the bead over the lip of the rim. You don't want to slosh a bunch of lube so that it gets into the tire, especially if your going to use balance beads. It may cause them to clump together.
 

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do you run that with the arrow going in the right direction or is it the opposite? i might try this tire this year and decide which one i will use to alaska next year for the front






I have run it both ways and to be honest can't tell the difference, but I have a sidecar on mine
before I added the car I always ran it so the sipes were correct for rain water displacement, but that was because it made me feel better
 

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I installed the "rear tire" on front, with the arrow in the reverse direction.
did so at the advise of others who say that is better because the only stress the sidewalls will get, is when you hammer down on the brakes, and don't want it to come unglued...

I actually wanted to mount it in the proper direction, simply because the Rain Sipes are then running correctly with the tread.

with it backwards, the sipes are pulling water into the center of the tire/tyre and worries me.
Actually running it in the reverse direction puts the sipes in the right direction for displacing water. Look at any regular front tire, they look backward but you have to think of the part that is on the road, not what is on top. That Avon will cup if you run it with the arrow forward.
 

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Regardless of the direction you choose to mount your tire, it is suggested that you line the triangle on the sidewall with the valve. They say it helps with the balance.
That's a myth. Never heard of going by the triangle anyway, they are usually to point to where the wear bars are and there are several around the tire. The thing about using the dot on the tire to align with the stem is bunk too. On new car rims there is a mark at the lightest point on the rim and the red dot aligns with that, they use it at the factory, but the mark is gone after the first wash. Don't know if motorcycles have that mark on the rim or not.
 

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That's a myth. Never heard of going by the triangle anyway, they are usually to point to where the wear bars are and there are several around the tire. The thing about using the dot on the tire to align with the stem is bunk too. On new car rims there is a mark at the lightest point on the rim and the red dot aligns with that, they use it at the factory, but the mark is gone after the first wash. Don't know if motorcycles have that mark on the rim or not.

I stand corrected. It is a painted dot and not the triangle. The triangle as you say does point to the wear bars. Anyways, I meant that worrying about the rotation of the tire is about as important as lining up that dot. That is why I ended with "some say". Some say mount the tire rotation one way and some others say do the opposite. It's a back tire going on the front for crying out loud. And you are going to fret over dots and arrows? :?
 

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As they used to say----IT'S ALL GOOD!
 

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Guys, the reason tires have a direction arrow is because of the tread layer splice. When the tire is made the tread is wrapped around the tire before vulcanizing. The splice is tapered so there is more surface for bonding. The tapered ends overlap and one is the inner and the other out. The front and rear tires have the wrap going in different directions. The idea is when you get on the gas the splice is pushed together rather than pulling it apart. The front tire sees 80% of the braking. When the brakes are applied (hard) the splice is pushed together.
If you want to run a rear tire on the front the arrow should point in the direction opposite of rotation. The tread pattern will be backwards, but what the heck, the rear tire is designed to be put on the rear. I would rather not have the tire stressed in the wrong rotation, especially after it has 15-20K miles on it and I want to do a blast up to 90 MPH in the desert summer heat. To each their own.
 

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Guys, the reason tires have a direction arrow is because of the tread layer splice. When the tire is made the tread is wrapped around the tire before vulcanizing. The splice is tapered so there is more surface for bonding. The tapered ends overlap and one is the inner and the other out. .
I believe that is another myth from the recap days. Remember recapped tires? Until someone shows me otherwise I choose to believe the tread is injection molded to the carcass. Evidence is the **** left on the tire and there is no sign of a splice.
 
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i mount a rear tire on the front and mount it the way the sipes run on a front tire so that means you mount the tire opposite direction if its a rear tire on the front .
 

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ok found the pics of the bt 45 i mounted back in 2016 you tell me which is the right way to mount the tire the pics are taken from the front which pic is correct? the left or the right ?
 

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ok found the pics of the bt 45 i mounted back in 2016 you tell me which is the right way to mount the tire the pics are taken from the front which pic is correct? the left or the right ?
The one on the left would be correct. If you look at the way the sipes will be pointing when in contact with the road, toward the rear.
 
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The one on the left would be correct. If you look at the way the sipes will be pointing when in contact with the road, toward the rear.
i agree so the arrow on the tire will be going backwards
 

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The one on the left would be correct. If you look at the way the sipes will be pointing when in contact with the road, toward the rear.

Dave,


I have trouble with that thought....


as the tread rolls down, those sipes are going to funnel the water into the center of the tire....



to funnel water away from the center, they need to be slanted forwards, so that as the tire rolls, the water is pushed to the sides of the tire....


mine is mounted backwards also, and I feel that is wrong...
enough so, that I want to reverse and put the arrow forwards as the OEM intended so the water is swept out of the tire center.
 

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Dave,


I have trouble with that thought....


as the tread rolls down, those sipes are going to funnel the water into the center of the tire....



to funnel water away from the center, they need to be slanted forwards, so that as the tire rolls, the water is pushed to the sides of the tire....


mine is mounted backwards also, and I feel that is wrong...
enough so, that I want to reverse and put the arrow forwards as the OEM intended so the water is swept out of the tire center.
No, you have to look at it as if you were looking up at the tire on a transparent road. If you look at any regular front tire in the normal direction the sipes do angle the same.
 

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the tire on the left in the photos is the tire on my bike it is a front tire on the front with the arrow going the correct direction the tire on the right in the photos is the bt 45 one is with the arrow going forward and the other is the arrow going backwards the pic on the left is with the new tire bt 45 with the arrow going backwards the sipes match the direction of the front tire on the bike
 

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the tire will enter the road(water) with the center of the tire as it rotates the water will be pushed out towards the rear if i install the tire with the arrow forward the water will be pushed forward a front tire is designed to push the water out and to the back when driving
 

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I have had this discussion (arrow direction) before. This topic is almost as bad as talking about OIL. My opinion is --- well nobody wants to hear it.:wink2:
 
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ok found the pics of the bt 45 i mounted back in 2016 you tell me which is the right way to mount the tire the pics are taken from the front which pic is correct? the left or the right ?

The old tire is wrong! I don't know how you got by without poking someone's eye out. Put it the way you have the new one on the right and close your mind to all other foolishness. Now go do the right thing.
 

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The old tire is wrong! I don't know how you got by without poking someone's eye out. Put it the way you have the new one on the right and close your mind to all other foolishness. Now go do the right thing.
so your saying the old tire which is a front tire still on the bike facing the why the arrow says to mount it is mounted the wrong way? sorry but thats the correct way it goes on.
 
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