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I have taken one off an 1100 rim. We only had two smallish tire spoons.

the rim wasn't so good before we started but more so after we were done.

If I can get the old tire off and the new one on - i can get it balanced for free.

normailly it would cost $25-30 to do this. I have 5 tires at the moment I need to get put on. I still have the time involved taking them to the shop-so there is that.

I thought I might give it another go. I'm not really trying to save $ - that would be nice(it does add up). More importantly, I would kinda like to for the satisfaction of doing it. Am I going to punish myself?

I bought some larger tire spoons and some rim protectors, costing me almost what the shop would charge for 3. They are still in the pkg.....

because,

I might take them back and just have a shop do it.

do you change your own tires? or not?
 

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I have taken one off an 1100 rim. We only had two smallish tire spoons.

the rim wasn't so good before we started but more so after we were done.

If I can get the old tire off and the new one on - i can get it balanced for free.

normailly it would cost $25-30 to do this. I have 5 tires at the moment I need to get put on. I still have the time involved taking them to the shop-so there is that.

I thought I might give it another go. I'm not really trying to save $ - that would be nice(it does add up). More importantly, I would kinda like to for the satisfaction of doing it. Am I going to punish myself?

I bought some larger tire spoons and some rim protectors, costing me almost what the shop would charge for 3. They are still in the pkg.....

because,

I might take them back and just have a shop do it.

do you change your own tires? or not?
Doing it yourself will save you some cash..and the satisfaction of doing it yourself feels good. I have changed both my front and rear on my 1500 and will continue to do so. Using a rig to stady the rim. Will you punish yourself? Maybe...but that satisfaction factor may be better!! I say go for it!
 

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I have always changed my own tires on my bikes since my first motorcycle (over 38 years). Also have helped several other friends change theirs. I like doing my own maintenance for the satisfaction of it as well as knowing it was done properly. Sometimes the shops will take shortcuts and not do things the way I want and leave grease and fingerprints all over. I don't like shoddy work. The tire irons I have are pretty short also, probably around 7-8 inches. Some longer ones would be nice but I have never bought any because I can make out with the ones I have. You just have to bear down on them to force the tire on the rim.
Another advantage with doing the work yourself is you get to know the bike well and how to take things off to get to various parts that may need work. Handy to know if you are broke down on the side of the road.
 

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I think I can get them on and off.

what about getting air back in on the tubeless ones. use some kind of strap to get it to contact the rim?

what do you do about balancing them? Do dyna beads work? I'm assuming they only work on tubeless tires.

any tutorials out there you know of?

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Hey Pony! I do my own tires,too. It is gonna kick your butt a tad, but it's do-able. I used a piece of polyethylene tubing that I got at Home depot, about 1" dia., and I slit it carefully down its length, so I could slip that on the edge of my rim, so I would'nt scar the aluminum with the spoons. Use lots of liquid soap water to lube the rubber, and it's not too bad. I used a piece of nylon tow strap wrapped around the tire, and twisted that with some giant ViceGrips to get the tire to seal enough to get it to "POP" on the rim with air. I was told to never use more than about 10 pounds more than the PSI rating for this, or you could stretch the plys and ruin the tire. I used a home-made balancer with a big bench vice, and a wooden dowel. Got pretty darned close (1/4 oz off when I put the Counter Act beads in) The beads did the rest, since it took 2 oz of beads. I did cheat at first, and bought a cheapo tire buster from Harbor Frieght. All it is for is breaking the seal/bead loose. Before that, I used a big old C-clamp. Good luck with it, and be prepared for a cuss word or two, and to get worn out!LOL jimsjinx
 

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I do my own. You need a good set of spoons, three minimum. Lots of laundry detergent to make the tire slippery. Without those two items, its a tuff few minutes. Once I got the hang of it, I could pull a wheel, pull the old tire, put the new one on, balance, and have the wheel back on the bike in 30 minutes, all with minimal marking up on the rim. The first one took three hours.p and I butchered the crap out of the rim.
 

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The first one took three hours.p and I butchered the crap out of the rim. 		 		  		  		 		  		 		 			 				__________________
I guess you got the hang of it now....:claps: goin with 3 spoons - big ones!

Jim J. thank for the tip on the tubing. I just bought some of that.

thanks all,

Pony
 

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I have been changing my own tires for over 20 years. The 1st time will take you about 2-3 hours. After you get the hang of it, you can do a tire in under 30 min. Breaking the bead is the hardest part, if you don't have a bead breaker. Never have tried a big C-clamp. Got a bead breaker from JCWhitney for $30, 30 years ago. Best money I ever spent. I now use 3 big spoones. When I first started, I used the short ones. Use a milk carton or a 5 gallon bucket to put the wheel on when you take the tire on and off, if the rotor will fit inside the bucket or carton. This makes it a little easier. When you put the new tire on look for a dot on the tire and line up the dot with the value stem. Most tires you don't need to balance the tire if you line the dot up and keep your speed under 70. I now use Dyna Beads in the tire just in case the dot is off some.
 

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The best thing I have found to use to put the wheel on for removal of tie is an old car tire. I lay it on the shop floor but you bould put it on a work table. his makes a nice surface to work on and protects the rim from damage or twisting rim
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Pending on how much spare time you have of course. I build my own cars and bikes but when it comes to tires I just bring the tire and rim to a local shop with a non marring setup.
 

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I do my own tires also and prefer the short spoons instead of the larger irons.
The trick is to keep the tires bead in the center of the rim where the rim is smaller dia.
Often that tire bead tries to climb onto the rims bead and that makes a little fight as that's why it gets so tight and hard to get the last 1/4 or so of tire on.
If you need large irons and leverage to force it on and are stretching the tire much then your not doing it right.

Be careful using soaps and detergent as some can attack aluminum over time and you don't want the rim to eat away or bead to get pitted. I use Armoral on the tire bead to slicken it up.

If you slicken the first bead you should not even need any tool to put it on, just start pressing it over the rim in one area and work around the rim keeping the bead in the smaller center of the rim, it pops right on most the time.
Doing the second bead get it started and press it on as far as it goes keeping the bead in center of rim, should only need spoons for about 1/4-1/2 the tire.

Taking the tire off is almost as easy, not quite though. Keep bead in center of rim and start one side with a spoon and work in the second spoon a bit away from the first. This is the only time I use my larger irons, sometimes I'll stick one in to hold the gap open as I remove a spoon to get a new bite. I could just use a ratchet handle or such also if I did not have an iron or 3rd spoon.
Then just work around the rim and tire pops over.
Getting the second bead off the rim can be a bit more trouble, I'm still looking for a bit better way.
I get on the back side of the tire and insert a spoon and lift the bead over the rim then insert a spoon from front side and work from there.

It is always a matter of have the bead nice and slick to make it slide over rim better and keep the tire bead in rims center smaller dia. area.

If using Dyna beads in the tire don't over do slickening the beads, you don't want anything wet in tire to make beads clumps together.

I did my first 4 tires with larger irons, 2 rear 1100 and 1 front, 1 front 1500. I was not having such a good time but I could do them.
I had got a bad NEW tire and ended up taking it to the shop to be checked. I saw how fast and easy he took it off and back on with spoons and I bought a set of chrome spoons from him that day before I left! He did not charge me for checking out my bad tire so I figured I should by something. He did not sell me that tire either. Spoons have worked well for me for about 4 changes now on 1500's. 3 rear and at least 1 front.

Do some searching on youtube for videos to change bike tires, there are a few good ones, and few junk ones, at least one good one that shows the first bead just pushes on by hand with no tools needed.

To seat the bead on my tires I remove the valve core and use a cheapo lock on air chuck which I have removed the center from so air just blows straight through it.
When tire is ready to be aired up I kink the air line and couple on the air chuck, lock chuck onto valve and let the airline un-kink to blow air to tire, once beads pop I kink air line and remove the chuck. I let the air blow out of tire a bit, install the core then air back up as needed.

If the valve core is in the valve then normally not enough air will flow fast enough to seal beads as it just leaks out faster than it goes in. If core is in center of air chuck there is nothing to press it once you remove the valve core from wheel so the center needs to come out of the air chuck also. I think it cost me $5 for the lock on chuck I got which I unscrewed the face and removed the center and put face back on to hold the lock in place.

If your not replacing the valve stems then the cores are probably already out from removing the old tire, but if using new stems the cores need to be taken out when seating the bead.
 

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It's faster and easier for me to change my own tires than it is to take the wheels to a shop. I got one shop about maybe 20 miles away and they are always busy! Doing my own is faster than driving in the wheels and waiting around, no gas burned up, and I save $10 a wheel.

$30 for 2 spoons is all it really cost me for tools as I had everything else and so far I saved over $80 plus the time and gas it would have taken to run to shop and back 8 times.
 

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All while I was watching the views passing by and enjoying a cold refreshment...

 

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Chromo,

thanks for the very detailed and helpful description. I have to re-read the whole thing and esp. the part about the air/valve stem etc. - I'm likin it! I forgot about you tube. Getting closer to doing this - after I clean my tank - electrolysis method ( so far so good ).

I have this spoon http://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/partno/08-0007/


and this one - I like the handle
http://www.motosport.com/dirtbike/ZIP-TY-RACING-MIGHTY-TIRE-IRON



I have one of these somewhere hiding in my shop....http://www.motosport.com/dirtbike/BIKEMASTER-3PIECE-TIRE-IRON-SET

you think maybe a set of the former and the big dog with the nice handle?

I did get the bead to break on one side standing on it.

Kimswang: been there done that - the bike shops near me aren't so near anymore after a few have closed up shop. I reserve the right to do that too - if after I beat myself up trying....... I relent, cave in, give in, concede/change my mind! :shock:
 

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i change my own....................................................gas! hahahahahaah, i only change it because it wont run without it. lol.....i cant believe there are this many people who do their own tires! wow! thats why i work, so i DONT have to do this sort of thing! congratulations to all of you who do this tire change thing, and save the money. i barely have enough time to clean mine, let alone change the tires! :bow:yall keep on winginit rick
 

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Why pay someone to do something that you can do yourself? Buy the tools and have at it. I had a stealer change a tire once and that was when I decided to do in on my own. With Dyna Beads, you won't have to pay someone to balance your tire either.
 

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Thanks RedEye,

I was going to do that.......but you got me going.

onward and upward!
 

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Why pay someone to do something that you can do yourself? Buy the tools and have at it. I had a stealer change a tire once and that was when I decided to do in on my own. With Dyna Beads, you won't have to pay someone to balance your tire either.

If you make more pr. hour than what it cost to have someone else doing it, it doesn't make a lot of sense to do it yourself, does it? If you spent $900,- + to have your rims chromed it doesn't make a lot of sense to do it yourself with old school tools either, does it? I buildt my own car and my own boat but I rather pay a local shop to have my tires changed than to mess up a good rim that I worked hard on to get the way I wanted it. Makes sense?
 

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A local tire store here will mount and balance for $20. Everyone else in the area charges $30. I can go to Joplin and change it on my brother's machine and the cost to go over there is a little over half what they charge. It depends a lot on how quickly I need the tire mounted on which I do.
 
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