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No, its a real piece of junk.
I actually saw one installed and the paint fell off.
No, its a real piece of junk.
I actually saw one installed and the paint fell off.
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Mr.1200 wrote:
1.) Crimped connectors to fail. That was the original problem
2.) Relay armature to bounce and stick, leaving you with no ignition power (it happened to me)
3.) The bit about the "increased gauge of wire" is utterly false. The longest run of wire carrying high current (in the repair harness) is about 2 feet (between regulator and battery). If the original regulator wiring is (for example):
12 gauge = 0.081" diameter, 1.59 ohms/1000 feet = 0.0016 ohms / foot = 0.0032 ohms/2 feet
and they increase it to
10 gauge = 0.1" diameter, 1.0 ohms/1000 feet = 0.001 ohm / foot = 0.002 ohms/2 feet
thats a decrease in resistance over 2 feet of about 0.0012 ohms. "Times" that by 30 amp (max the system can source for a maximum) and the larger gauge wire drops:
- 0.0012 ohms x 30 amp = - 0.036 volts.
None of us ( me included) have a voltmeter that can even measure a 0.036 volt change. Not to mention the regulator is there to compensate for changes in voltage, so if the change was within the hysteresis of the regulator, it would not be seen.
Besides that, anyone out there ever seen the wires in a GL fail? Sorry, the engineers that designed the original wiring arent ThAt stupid....
Which proves ECare preying on those without engineering knowledge to catch them at their false advertising.
This "wire size" is a similar scam to the "ignition capacitors" someone is trying to sell to unsuspecting 2-stroke riders. $200.00 for a capacitor placed in-line the spark plug with the utterly fradulent claim that "it increases ignition energy." :gunhead:That violates the laws of physics. A capacitor cannot increase energy.
Seriously, EC is selling what I abandoned years ago because it was plagued with potential failures. It was the second prototype I designed, with an extra $10.00 in useless/needless parts to fail. The relay is there to switch the coils in and out, but it also adds 4 more crimed connectors to fail. Failing crimps are the original problem, why go through it again?
You's guys would soil yourselves if you knew how much $ in parts was in the stupid thing. Its less than you think. Yeah, I sell them for about what you could buy the parts for, it isnt about making money. They never did sell well at $ 40.00 or over, so I abandoned that and lowered the cost.
BROJEES: HOw can I argue with that logic? Cheques in the mail after I finish paying Steve off for my Guru status. That was EXPENSIVE!!!
DEAN: Hey, meybe I can advertise it as "paint remover!" The larger wire removes paint faster!!:action:
Mr.1200 wrote:
Quality?
1.) Crimped connectors to fail. That was the original problem
2.) Relay armature to bounce and stick, leaving you with no ignition power (it happened to me)
3.) The bit about the "increased gauge of wire" is utterly false. The longest run of wire carrying high current (in the repair harness) is about 2 feet (between regulator and battery). If the original regulator wiring is (for example):
12 gauge = 0.081" diameter, 1.59 ohms/1000 feet = 0.0016 ohms / foot = 0.0032 ohms/2 feet
and they increase it to
10 gauge = 0.1" diameter, 1.0 ohms/1000 feet = 0.001 ohm / foot = 0.002 ohms/2 feet
thats a decrease in resistance over 2 feet of about 0.0012 ohms. "Times" that by 30 amp (max the system can source for a maximum) and the larger gauge wire drops:
- 0.0012 ohms x 30 amp = - 0.036 volts.
None of us ( me included) have a voltmeter that can even measure a 0.036 volt change. Not to mention the regulator is there to compensate for changes in voltage, so if the change was within the hysteresis of the regulator, it would not be seen.
Besides that, anyone out there ever seen the wires in a GL fail? Sorry, the engineers that designed the original wiring arent ThAt stupid....
Which proves ECare preying on those without engineering knowledge to catch them at their false advertising.
This "wire size" is a similar scam to the "ignition capacitors" someone is trying to sell to unsuspecting 2-stroke riders. $200.00 for a capacitor placed in-line the spark plug with the utterly fradulent claim that "it increases ignition energy." :gunhead:That violates the laws of physics. A capacitor cannot increase energy.
Seriously, EC is selling what I abandoned years ago because it was plagued with potential failures. It was the second prototype I designed, with an extra $10.00 in useless/needless parts to fail. The relay is there to switch the coils in and out, but it also adds 4 more crimed connectors to fail. Failing crimps are the original problem, why go through it again?
You's guys would soil yourselves if you knew how much $ in parts was in the stupid thing. Its less than you think. Yeah, I sell them for about what you could buy the parts for, it isnt about making money. They never did sell well at $ 40.00 or over, so I abandoned that and lowered the cost.
BROJEES: HOw can I argue with that logic? Cheques in the mail after I finish paying Steve off for my Guru status. That was EXPENSIVE!!!
DEAN: Hey, meybe I can advertise it as "paint remover!" The larger wire removes paint faster!!:action:
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33zip wrote:
'zip was kind enough to point out an error in the instructions, which the Free World will thank us all for.
'zip, since its "trade insults" day, shall I then post the flames, false statements and arrogant demands you made, which are the reason I refused to give you a phone number?
Naw, I have better things to do. Must go redesign it so the wheels fall off as well.
============ Post Script =======================
For the record, since I have been slandered publically, I feel it is within my right to set the record straight. Since Mr 33zip has chosen a public forum in which to do so, I wish to defend myself publically. I am also asking the Moderators to delete the slanderous post that 33zip has publically made against me.
Here are the Emails which have transpired. Within them is clear evidence that:
First exchange:'Zip did not read the instructions and incorrectly asserted they were wrong. My answer - to explain the instructions exactly as they were written.
Second exchange: I mistakenly put the wrong terminal size on the coil wires, and honestly, and gentlemanly admitted it and offered to make it right.
Third exchange: 'Zip says the motorcycle does not match the instructions. So, its either not a GL1100 / 1200 or has been modified. That the motorcycle does not match the instructions is not my fault. If something has been changed, he needs to get a wiring diagram and sort it out, I cant do that over the phone. Yes, at this time, it would be wise for him not to work on his GL until he can sort it out. But, instead he took this as opportunity to deliberately misconstrue my statement to publically slander me.
Fourth exchange: "Zip again fails to read the instructions by assuming there is a blue wire in the regulator, where no such thing is said. At this time, I told him I would accept no more nasty Emails.
Fifth exchange: 'Zip has returned to gentlemanly conversation and I answered his questions. But , as a result of him publically slandering me in this thread, his Email account is permanently blocked.
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(My response)
Steps 3 and 4 say to run blue wire to coils, remove black/white and plug blue in their place.
It has nothing to do with the regulator plug. Chop away..
[email protected] wrote:
I"m installing your wiring harness today and in your directions you say ignore the blue wire (coming out of the voltage regulator) for now. This leads me to believe that something is going to be done with it later, but you never mention it again. I'm not going to chop up this plug until I know the disposition of all the wires.
Call me or send me your phone number so I can talk to you about this.
Dick (aka, 33zip)
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(My response)
PS I may have goofed up on the blue terminals, I think i put the wrong size on (3/16 instead of 1/4) Let me know if it doesnt fit and Ill send some terminals or whatever..
[email protected] wrote:
I"m installing your wiring harness today and in your directions you say ignore the blue wire (coming out of the voltage regulator) for now. This leads me to believe that something is going to be done with it later, but you never mention it again. I'm not going to chop up this plug until I know the disposition of all the wires.
Call me or send me your phone number so I can talk to you about this.
Dick (aka, 33zip)
1-352-
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(My response)
I am not going to waste telephone time on this if you refuse to read and misquote the instructions.
[email protected] wrote:
The wires on the starter solenoid don't match the colors (or size) you have on your intstructions. What now?
[[My response]]
[[The instructions clearly say to cut the two wires from the front of the solenoid. Solder them to the Black wire from the harness. Theres only one Black wire in the harness. If they are different colors and you are not able to sort that out, you should not be working on that Goldwing.]]
I want a phone number. I've got to get this back together and out of the shop.
You dont need a phone number, you need to read and follow the instructions.
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(My response)
If you read the instructions, there is no Blue wire called out coming from the regulator. Im not going to waste telephone charges discussing this until I see you have read and followed the written instructions. Email is free.
One more Email like this and Ill block your address. Stop the _hing.
[email protected] wrote:
What is the problem you can't send me a phone number? I want to talk to you on the phone not be running back and forth checking e-mails.
Now that I have removed the false tank and looked at the regulator there is no blue wire coming out of the regulator but there's two green wires. What's that about?
I am well aware of what step 3 and 4 say.
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[email protected] wrote:
... there is only one large wire at the front of my solenoid plug and it is red.
[[My responses in Brackets]]
[[ What year/model GL do you have?
If its an 1100 or 1200, there are (from factory) two wires on front the solenoid, if theres only one on your cycle, someone has removed a wire (?). Ive never seen a GL1200 with one wire. The wiring diagrams all have two. The GL 1000s had only one wire.
It may not be needed to solder both solenoid wires to the BLACK, since bypassing the regulator plug eliminates the Red/White. The instructions say to connect it because the '86A has a capacitor in that wire, but for other models it may not be needed. I just checked it (today) on an 84 A that I just put a harness on, the electrical system works with only the large Red wire connected. To test, connect the large Red to the Harness BLACK temporarily and turn the ignition on, if everything lights up, and the engine starts, should be OK]]
Now to go back to the voltage regulator. There are two green wires, coming out of it. Do I solder both of them to the green wire from your harness?
[[Yes, two Green from regulator to one GREEN in harness. I made a typo error in the instructions, thanks for pointing that out. Ive corrected the instructions and attached a copy of the correction. ]]
Thanks for your help
[[No problem, weve both made errors in this deal, Ive made two for your one so I owe you one.]]
33zip wrote:
See, I told you it was junk!33zip will really be mad when it makes the paint fall off his motorcycle.
'zip was kind enough to point out an error in the instructions, which the Free World will thank us all for.
'zip, since its "trade insults" day, shall I then post the flames, false statements and arrogant demands you made, which are the reason I refused to give you a phone number?
Naw, I have better things to do. Must go redesign it so the wheels fall off as well.
============ Post Script =======================
For the record, since I have been slandered publically, I feel it is within my right to set the record straight. Since Mr 33zip has chosen a public forum in which to do so, I wish to defend myself publically. I am also asking the Moderators to delete the slanderous post that 33zip has publically made against me.
Here are the Emails which have transpired. Within them is clear evidence that:
First exchange:'Zip did not read the instructions and incorrectly asserted they were wrong. My answer - to explain the instructions exactly as they were written.
Second exchange: I mistakenly put the wrong terminal size on the coil wires, and honestly, and gentlemanly admitted it and offered to make it right.
Third exchange: 'Zip says the motorcycle does not match the instructions. So, its either not a GL1100 / 1200 or has been modified. That the motorcycle does not match the instructions is not my fault. If something has been changed, he needs to get a wiring diagram and sort it out, I cant do that over the phone. Yes, at this time, it would be wise for him not to work on his GL until he can sort it out. But, instead he took this as opportunity to deliberately misconstrue my statement to publically slander me.
Fourth exchange: "Zip again fails to read the instructions by assuming there is a blue wire in the regulator, where no such thing is said. At this time, I told him I would accept no more nasty Emails.
Fifth exchange: 'Zip has returned to gentlemanly conversation and I answered his questions. But , as a result of him publically slandering me in this thread, his Email account is permanently blocked.
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(My response)
Steps 3 and 4 say to run blue wire to coils, remove black/white and plug blue in their place.
It has nothing to do with the regulator plug. Chop away..
[email protected] wrote:
I"m installing your wiring harness today and in your directions you say ignore the blue wire (coming out of the voltage regulator) for now. This leads me to believe that something is going to be done with it later, but you never mention it again. I'm not going to chop up this plug until I know the disposition of all the wires.
Call me or send me your phone number so I can talk to you about this.
Dick (aka, 33zip)
1-352-
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(My response)
PS I may have goofed up on the blue terminals, I think i put the wrong size on (3/16 instead of 1/4) Let me know if it doesnt fit and Ill send some terminals or whatever..
[email protected] wrote:
I"m installing your wiring harness today and in your directions you say ignore the blue wire (coming out of the voltage regulator) for now. This leads me to believe that something is going to be done with it later, but you never mention it again. I'm not going to chop up this plug until I know the disposition of all the wires.
Call me or send me your phone number so I can talk to you about this.
Dick (aka, 33zip)
1-352-
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(My response)
I am not going to waste telephone time on this if you refuse to read and misquote the instructions.
[email protected] wrote:
The wires on the starter solenoid don't match the colors (or size) you have on your intstructions. What now?
[[My response]]
[[The instructions clearly say to cut the two wires from the front of the solenoid. Solder them to the Black wire from the harness. Theres only one Black wire in the harness. If they are different colors and you are not able to sort that out, you should not be working on that Goldwing.]]
I want a phone number. I've got to get this back together and out of the shop.
You dont need a phone number, you need to read and follow the instructions.
==================== 4 ==================
(My response)
If you read the instructions, there is no Blue wire called out coming from the regulator. Im not going to waste telephone charges discussing this until I see you have read and followed the written instructions. Email is free.
One more Email like this and Ill block your address. Stop the _hing.
[email protected] wrote:
What is the problem you can't send me a phone number? I want to talk to you on the phone not be running back and forth checking e-mails.
Now that I have removed the false tank and looked at the regulator there is no blue wire coming out of the regulator but there's two green wires. What's that about?
I am well aware of what step 3 and 4 say.
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[email protected] wrote:
... there is only one large wire at the front of my solenoid plug and it is red.
[[My responses in Brackets]]
[[ What year/model GL do you have?
If its an 1100 or 1200, there are (from factory) two wires on front the solenoid, if theres only one on your cycle, someone has removed a wire (?). Ive never seen a GL1200 with one wire. The wiring diagrams all have two. The GL 1000s had only one wire.
It may not be needed to solder both solenoid wires to the BLACK, since bypassing the regulator plug eliminates the Red/White. The instructions say to connect it because the '86A has a capacitor in that wire, but for other models it may not be needed. I just checked it (today) on an 84 A that I just put a harness on, the electrical system works with only the large Red wire connected. To test, connect the large Red to the Harness BLACK temporarily and turn the ignition on, if everything lights up, and the engine starts, should be OK]]
Now to go back to the voltage regulator. There are two green wires, coming out of it. Do I solder both of them to the green wire from your harness?
[[Yes, two Green from regulator to one GREEN in harness. I made a typo error in the instructions, thanks for pointing that out. Ive corrected the instructions and attached a copy of the correction. ]]
Thanks for your help
[[No problem, weve both made errors in this deal, Ive made two for your one so I owe you one.]]
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Mr.1200 wrote:
No, I do not use crimp connectors,they are not crimped and this cannot be seen from a photograph. Thus Mr 1200s statement is in error.
Crimping is a process where the wire is mechanically smashed between the connector ears. Its a purely mechanical joint subject to oxidation and corrosion, which is why Hondas wiring fails. Crimping requires special tooling subject to continiual process control and frequent crimp strength testing to ensure a good crimp.
I dont use crimping, I do it another way that eliminates all that. Thats the difference between a mechanics ability and my engineering experience.:waving:
Mr EC, you havent answered my comments about the wire gauge being immaterial. I posted proof from electrical laws of physics. Please answer them.
Y'see folks, ever since I exposed American Honda and GWRRA (U.S. corporations) years ago (1990 - 1995) for the failures in the GL1200, they've been on assault against me. This is evident in this thread. It became so bad at one point that "someone" came to the house here movedmy Goldwing to the back of the garage while I was away, set it on fire and it burned to the ground. Fortunately insurance bought another one!
This just goes to show the nastiness and hatred that results in exposing fraud and corruption in Government and Corporation, especially in the U.S.
Mr.1200 wrote:
Its clear that Mr 1200 is "EC" and for Dean's benefit:
No, I do not use crimp connectors,they are not crimped and this cannot be seen from a photograph. Thus Mr 1200s statement is in error.
Crimping is a process where the wire is mechanically smashed between the connector ears. Its a purely mechanical joint subject to oxidation and corrosion, which is why Hondas wiring fails. Crimping requires special tooling subject to continiual process control and frequent crimp strength testing to ensure a good crimp.
I dont use crimping, I do it another way that eliminates all that. Thats the difference between a mechanics ability and my engineering experience.:waving:
Mr EC, you havent answered my comments about the wire gauge being immaterial. I posted proof from electrical laws of physics. Please answer them.
Y'see folks, ever since I exposed American Honda and GWRRA (U.S. corporations) years ago (1990 - 1995) for the failures in the GL1200, they've been on assault against me. This is evident in this thread. It became so bad at one point that "someone" came to the house here movedmy Goldwing to the back of the garage while I was away, set it on fire and it burned to the ground. Fortunately insurance bought another one!
This just goes to show the nastiness and hatred that results in exposing fraud and corruption in Government and Corporation, especially in the U.S.
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