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Hey everybody:

If you're not in the mood for a story skip to the bottom where my technical issues are listed. I will make my story as short as possible, and get to the reason I'm posting.

Decided at the beginning of the summer to do a cross Canada trip on a motorcycle having never ridden in my life. So doing research on bikes etc, it was obvious that the Goldwing is the only suitable option to make the trip.

So the time comes to leave I'm geared up ready to go and the trip went amazingly. Not one mechanical problem. I think I put air in the tires once just to say I did. after a month I return home happy as a clam that everything went so well.

A couple of weeks ago, I ask my mom, "hey mom, look I drove across the continent, I think I'm a pretty capable rider, hop on and let's go for a short ride" My mom is terrified of bikes by the way.

After much convincing she gets on and we go for a short ride. everything is going great minus some heavy traffic we get to a small town and stop for a refreshment of iced tea. After enjoying said refreshment get back on the bike and it's.....completly dead.

SHIZA.

try agian. nope, its dead,

Now seing that I have a 1984 Honda Goldwing aspencade GL1200, and being that I have done extensive research on the common problems of this make and model of bike. where do my thoughts go as to why my bike is suddenly dead?

I call my brother to come meet us out where we are (about 20 mins from home) and give us a jump. Alas, he comes and get the jumpers attached and it starts right up. So the joke is that I drove it 14000 km's and nothing happens but I take it 20kms and it breaks down.

I Take it to the mechanic the next day to run some 'system diagnostics'

First we thought it was the regulator rely thingy right beside the accesesory fuse box, replaced that, nope not that, he did some other mechanical wizardy and yes, my stator is dead.

Having heard this my heart breaks because I know what it is going to entil in order to get to that thing and put a new one in. And simply, my season was over.

So what do i do? Pay insurance for the year on something that is going to sit in my garage. nooooooo

the urge to ride is too great, there must be an option.

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Now I put it to you fine folks as to what the heck I should do. I've listed some options that I have found out. Number TWO seems particularly interesting and totally fesiable, and want to know if anyone has done this with success/failure.

1. Cheapest fix: Get a car battery, throw it in the beer box and run some wires so that the battery is running in parrell with the bike battery and the night before i ride charge up the car battery. 40-60 bucks CAN.

2. moderatly cheapest fix: There is a mounting bracket system that exsists for early goldwings that enables you to mount a car altenator to the engine so that it sits underneath the lower fairings (as I've been told, under the fins). Than drill a hole through the timing belt cover add an extension piece through timing belt pullys add another pully at the end of that and than put a belt on from that to the altanator and attach the three yellow wires from the stator? or something to that effect. The gentleman who is offering to do it is well equiped and knowledble in the goldwing field seing how his business is selling used goldwings, and goldwing parts. And he is offering do it for free because he wants to learn how to do it, so I would just have to pay for parts. (and if in the far chance he breaks something he would replace anything he breaks at his cost). 300 - 400 bucks CAN

3. Most expensive: Tear the engine out and replace the stator. Parts and labour, 1500-2000 bucks CAN.

Option two sounds most intriquing, this is the guy I bought the bike off of, and he is very advanced in his expertise of goldwings, so he is a trusted source of knowledge, so I would be leaving the bike in good hands, and he has had the process done to his bikes before just never physically done it himself due to time and patience but he wants to get a price baseline so the next person that asks him to do it he will know how long it will take him to do. Not because it's going to be a guessing game for him.

Long winded I know, but if you have gotten this far I would love to know your thoughts/concerns/other options.

Remember, I'm a poor independent film maker so if option three is the only right thing to do than my biking season will be over for some time. :(

cheers

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First of all, WELCOME to the forum from a fellow Canadian! Been all through Ontario over the years. Not sure I've ever been in Bramptong. Is that the town between Burlingtong and Caledong? (Hope you're like the rest of us Canucks and like a good chuckle)
And now, since I am a fellow Canadian and that gives me a license to do this, allow me to help you out a bit in your decision making process:

A bad stator on a 1200? Wasn't there a recall on those?:cheeky1::cheeky1::cheeky1:
An external alternator you say? That sounds like a novel idea. Right guys?:D:D:D

Boy, have you opened a can of worms! Which external alternator application are you talking about? You have 2 basic ones to choose from:

1. The Duplitech external conversion kit. This an alternator that sits in front of the left timing belt cover and hangs on the crash bar. IMHO it looks like an unsightly mole stuck on the bike. But we hear reports that it works. See this thread:

http://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums/forum9/48690.html


2. Poorboy conversion. The crowd favorite. This is the conversion package that hides behind the left fairing and if you're not knowledgeable about Wings you wouldn't know it was there. See this link:

http://home.comcast.net/~rkekeis/Alternator/alternator.htm

If your friend is telling you he'll do a Poorboy conversion for the price of the parts, get the bike over there quick, before he changes his mind!

GL1200 charging problems have to be the second most discussed technical issue on the forum, the fastest color of Goldwing (black!) being #1.

Try the search engine and you'll find volumes of information here, and when you think you've got it all down you can always check in with Vic, Tricky and Poorboy himself over on the GL1200 site:

http://www.gl1200goldwings.com/index.php

For the complete Poorboy story you can check out this thread:

http://www.gl1200goldwings.com/index.php

It's got all the poop on the subject with pictures and the big "Does pulley size matter?" :shock: debate thrown in.

Again, welcome. Enjoy the ride. It's not the destination, it's the journey, that counts.:action::action::action:
 

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#2 is called the "poor boy" fix and is very popular here.. do a search... (Edit:and I can see I am slow on the draw... refer to the post above..)

Comment: Buy the kit and let your mechanic have at it.. There is some fitting, so don't expect a perfect first time installation, but, hey... for the price??
 

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More detail about the mechanic, and how he performed some of the 'system diagnostics', would be nice. Actually, what and how. Still have the plastic connector holding the 3 yellow wires coming from the stator, in place?
 

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OOOOOO, don't you just love it when you can beat a SENIOR GURU to it?:dude:
 

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wpgfire wrote:
OOOOOO, don't you just love it when you can beat a SENIOR GURU to it?:dude:
:cheeky1::cheeky1::cheeky1::cheeky1:
 

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See! that's why I come here. Yes the
'poor boy' fix is exactly what he is talking about.
 

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wpgfire wrote:
OOOOOO, don't you just love it when you can beat a SENIOR GURU to it?:dude:
well I left it with him after we changed the regulatory rely. So I'm assuming he hooked up some meters to realize the power wasn't coming back out of the stator?

Or maybe it was "1984 aspencade? your stator is dead"
 

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More detail about the mechanic, and how he performed some of the 'system diagnostics', would be nice. Actually, what and how. Still have the plastic connector holding the 3 yellow wires coming from the stator, in place?

sorry meant to quote you.

well I left it with him after we changed the regulatory rely. So I'm assuming he hooked up some meters to realize the power wasn't coming back out of the stator?

Or maybe it was "1984 aspencade? your stator is dead"
 

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if it needs a stator, don't go with that ugly thing hanging off the crash bar... The "battery in the beer box" is interesting, but fix it right. If your mechanic will do the poorboy for parts,you should be there already.









...and yes, black is the fastest color.
 

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If I was going to go any distance I'd certainly fit that conversion myself. It sounds like it would save you a lot of trouble and make future repairs easy.
 

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Not to advertise too much but a Smartlight 'Traveler' would have warned you when you left the house that you had a problem.

Nobody really looks at a voltmeter and it doesn't warn until things get way down.

SmartLight warns you the instant the charging system stops charging and you notice it when it does.
 

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nsjoe wrote:
if it needs a stator, don't go with that ugly thing hanging off the crash bar... The "battery in the beer box" is interesting, but fix it right. If your mechanic will do the poorboy for parts,you should be there already.









...and yes, black is the fastest color.
perfect! Well, now i'm all excited that I am going to make the right decision.

So I guess my next question is. Looking at those pictures from the links above, will the bike suffer at all from those parts now being exposed to weather?
 

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Everything suffers from the weather including radio's CB's electrics and mostly the rider.
I did my own conversion using the excellent information available but then I had a machine shop at hand and I like to tinker.
The external on my bike has suffered through some of the rainiest downpours this year and hasnt given me any problems.
I think it has done about 8000k
It wasn't the task of pulling the engine that stopped me from replacing the stator but the ease of replacement when on a long road trip, in fact I added the external alternator prior to my third alternator dying.
 

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I am a huge fan of the 'poor-boy' modification. I did mine about 3 years ago and it runs great. 55 watts and I can power anything I want.:action:

Rudy, I didn't know you had a smartlight for the 1200's ready to go?
 

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think u should cough up the money for the poorboy kit before your mechanic changes his mind because he's as close to free as you'll ever get
 

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neoracer wrote:
think u should cough up the money for the poorboy kit before your mechanic changes his mind because he's as close to free as you'll ever get
done and done.
 

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I installed my poorboy conversion last year. I love it. After you get over the idea of cutting holes in your bike, it goes really smothly.
 
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