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Another way to keep cool is to move to a place where they do not have helmet laws.
(I wonder how many accidents and deaths have been caused by helmets eg: heat exhaustion, fogged visor, poor peripheral vision, neck strap on the helmet causing fatal damage etc.?)
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Another way to keep cool is to move to a place where they do not have helmet laws.
(I wonder how many accidents and deaths have been caused by helmets eg: heat exhaustion, fogged visor, poor peripheral vision, neck strap on the helmet causing fatal damage etc.?)
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I would think that the injury count for peopleriding without helmets would be far greater than thatfor people riding witha helmet. I had a buddy that got killed on a bike because he was wearing a helmet. His helmet split and a sharp piece of it entered his skull.
They always say that in a wreck, you should try and make yourself into a ball and roll with it. (I would probably have my arms and legs out, flapping like a giant bird trying to fly) I would think that the extra weight of a helmet might hamper you in doing this.
I currently don't wear one but I am strongl considering it. I have only had my bike 5 weeks now and already had oneclose call when some idiot:gunhead: pulled out in front of me.I just wish people would pay more attention.I always did.
I would think that the injury count for peopleriding without helmets would be far greater than thatfor people riding witha helmet. I had a buddy that got killed on a bike because he was wearing a helmet. His helmet split and a sharp piece of it entered his skull.
They always say that in a wreck, you should try and make yourself into a ball and roll with it. (I would probably have my arms and legs out, flapping like a giant bird trying to fly) I would think that the extra weight of a helmet might hamper you in doing this.
I currently don't wear one but I am strongl considering it. I have only had my bike 5 weeks now and already had oneclose call when some idiot:gunhead: pulled out in front of me.I just wish people would pay more attention.I always did.
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I always wear a helmet, but, I still firmly believe that I should have the choice because there are occasions that a helmet could hinder my ability to drive safely, particularly on an extremely hot day.
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I always wear a helmet, but, I still firmly believe that I should have the choice because there are occasions that a helmet could hinder my ability to drive safely, particularly on an extremely hot day.
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Well, I am in Kansas where the heat its hot and the humidity is as high as the heat, or something like that. I just came home from work and could not emagine what it would be like wearing a helmet. I had a cap on to help keep the sun out of my eyes and it was soaked in the 12 minute ride to the house.:crying:
Well, I am in Kansas where the heat its hot and the humidity is as high as the heat, or something like that. I just came home from work and could not emagine what it would be like wearing a helmet. I had a cap on to help keep the sun out of my eyes and it was soaked in the 12 minute ride to the house.:crying:
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Goldwinger1984 wrote:
There is no helmet law in AZ. I always wear mine when going to-from work (have to to get on a military reservation) or when cruising on the open highway. I DON'T always wear it in town though. It would help if I switched from a full face to an open face, but Iusually leave the visor open a couple of inches to get some air. Although when I rode through that swarm of bees that day I was glad to be wearing the full face!
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Goldwinger1984 wrote:
There is no helmet law in AZ. I always wear mine when going to-from work (have to to get on a military reservation) or when cruising on the open highway. I DON'T always wear it in town though. It would help if I switched from a full face to an open face, but Iusually leave the visor open a couple of inches to get some air. Although when I rode through that swarm of bees that day I was glad to be wearing the full face!
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Hmmm. When i got into a MC wreck(30mph) at age 22 i was not wearing a helmet:gunhead:. Took 53 stitches on the head,broken collar bone,cracked hip and so sore the next day i could only lay there for a while before trying to move. Bike was not to bad though and rideable:clapper: I believe i just got lucky and did not die. Who knows if a helmet would have broken my neck from the extra weight:baffled: But now i wear one ALMOST always. If im on the highway i always do cuz you never know whats gonna happen. But a 3 block trip to the store i usually dont. It's a personal choice here in Idaho also. I just choose to err on the side of caution and now i should not need stitches on the head again
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Hmmm. When i got into a MC wreck(30mph) at age 22 i was not wearing a helmet:gunhead:. Took 53 stitches on the head,broken collar bone,cracked hip and so sore the next day i could only lay there for a while before trying to move. Bike was not to bad though and rideable:clapper: I believe i just got lucky and did not die. Who knows if a helmet would have broken my neck from the extra weight:baffled: But now i wear one ALMOST always. If im on the highway i always do cuz you never know whats gonna happen. But a 3 block trip to the store i usually dont. It's a personal choice here in Idaho also. I just choose to err on the side of caution and now i should not need stitches on the head again
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Someday, when I have time I'll tell you about a bike accident I had and how the full coverage helmet saved me, but, I think I've strayed way too far off topic already. LOL
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Someday, when I have time I'll tell you about a bike accident I had and how the full coverage helmet saved me, but, I think I've strayed way too far off topic already. LOL
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AZWinger wrote:
http://www.soundrider.com/May05/techniche_evaporative_cooling_vest.htm
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Here's an article about the vests,and if you click on the link that's buried in the articlethey seem to have the best price around.
http://www.soundrider.com/May05/techniche_evaporative_cooling_vest.htm
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I guess that I will order me a set of Wind Wings and give them a try. Couldn't hurt any. All I know is that the heat makes it very unpleasent to ride. My bike even has the engine covers on it and that doesn't help any. When I get the wind wings and install them I will post my findings.
I guess that I will order me a set of Wind Wings and give them a try. Couldn't hurt any. All I know is that the heat makes it very unpleasent to ride. My bike even has the engine covers on it and that doesn't help any. When I get the wind wings and install them I will post my findings.
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Thanks Axelwik. :waving:
I read the article and it does sound good. I was wondering if anyone has tried them, or something similar? I think I'll order one butI want towait a day or two to give anyone who has tried one a chance to post their opinion. One thing I worry about is that you are supposed to wear a mesh or well vented jacket over it to slow the evaporation. I don't own anything like that! I never bought one because I know I won't wear it. It's just too damn HOT! It should (I hope) last for the 45 minute trip home without a mesh over it. I'm sure I can find a light mesh jacket or something if I need to.
I'll give it a couple of days but if I don't see any negative posts about them Ill order one, try itand post my opinion on it.
I also did a quick search on the net for ECV's and the Techniche vest has good reviews and is the lowest price I could find.
Bob :11grey:
Thanks Axelwik. :waving:
I read the article and it does sound good. I was wondering if anyone has tried them, or something similar? I think I'll order one butI want towait a day or two to give anyone who has tried one a chance to post their opinion. One thing I worry about is that you are supposed to wear a mesh or well vented jacket over it to slow the evaporation. I don't own anything like that! I never bought one because I know I won't wear it. It's just too damn HOT! It should (I hope) last for the 45 minute trip home without a mesh over it. I'm sure I can find a light mesh jacket or something if I need to.
I'll give it a couple of days but if I don't see any negative posts about them Ill order one, try itand post my opinion on it.
I also did a quick search on the net for ECV's and the Techniche vest has good reviews and is the lowest price I could find.
Bob :11grey:
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csanders67217, gauging by the snow in the pic of your bike it doesn't seem like it's that hot where you are. LOL
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csanders67217, gauging by the snow in the pic of your bike it doesn't seem like it's that hot where you are. LOL
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First to stay on topic:
We made the ride yesterday. Susan was a bit more comfortable, because I took the windjammer off, & mounted a fork mount windshield .We did roughly 60 miles on the expressway, at 70-75 mph,at around70-75 degrees. Susan's trike performed great. Staying in the low to mid, normal range. We did some around town driving after the rally, & her bike got pretty hot (the temp got up over 90
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). We took the e-way about halfway back.Her ride started running a bitover the normal range :realshocked:. We stopped to let the bikes cool off, & get a little somethingfor us
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I've got an air scoop that I'm going to put on the front, to try & get more air flow across the radiator
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. I also plan on changing the thermostat as well.
I really like the idea about the fans.... I'll have to see what I can do, because the Vetter lowers don't provide for venting of the heat from the radiator.:crying:
Something else that I'm sure is a factor: With the car rear end, the trike turns about a grand higher than my wing. But I don't think it's enough to make it run that hot....
To get off topic for a moment:
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Boy I stirred a wasp nest didn't I.:jumper:
Yes, the numbers do lie! Because if you look carefully, you'll see that there are not just one, not just two, but multiple sets of numbers. And some of these multiples are coming from the same places.
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At yesterday's rally, there was a District Attorney from Detroit. HE stated that in the "defective equipment cases" (like the incident that STD's????:realshocked:
As far your tax dollars being spent on something you don't want: Welcome to democracy.:byebye:I could buy a brand new Wing with the money that the federal government keeps from me each year (that would be cool to get a new bike each year), and a lot of it's going to things that I don't approve of.:doh:
So in closing:
I've had a motorcycle endorsement for thirty years. Riding without a helmet is not something new to me, & I wish to exercise my Freedom & Personal Liberty by riding my motorcycle without a helmet.
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It's like one State Representative said yesterday, "No one kept me from joining the military because it could be hazardous to my health!"
I know it' a heated subject, & I will post no more about it here. If someone wants to start a new thread, I might add to it........... :baffled:
First to stay on topic
:We made the ride yesterday. Susan was a bit more comfortable, because I took the windjammer off, & mounted a fork mount windshield .We did roughly 60 miles on the expressway, at 70-75 mph,at around70-75 degrees. Susan's trike performed great. Staying in the low to mid, normal range. We did some around town driving after the rally, & her bike got pretty hot (the temp got up over 90
I've got an air scoop that I'm going to put on the front, to try & get more air flow across the radiator
I really like the idea about the fans.... I'll have to see what I can do, because the Vetter lowers don't provide for venting of the heat from the radiator.:crying:
Something else that I'm sure is a factor: With the car rear end, the trike turns about a grand higher than my wing. But I don't think it's enough to make it run that hot....
To get off topic for a moment:
Boy I stirred a wasp nest didn't I.:jumper:
Yes, the numbers do lie! Because if you look carefully, you'll see that there are not just one, not just two, but multiple sets of numbers. And some of these multiples are coming from the same places.
As far your tax dollars being spent on something you don't want: Welcome to democracy.:byebye:I could buy a brand new Wing with the money that the federal government keeps from me each year (that would be cool to get a new bike each year), and a lot of it's going to things that I don't approve of.:doh:
So in closing:
I've had a motorcycle endorsement for thirty years. Riding without a helmet is not something new to me, & I wish to exercise my Freedom & Personal Liberty by riding my motorcycle without a helmet.
It's like one State Representative said yesterday, "No one kept me from joining the military because it could be hazardous to my health!"
I know it' a heated subject, & I will post no more about it here. If someone wants to start a new thread, I might add to it........... :baffled:
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Frenchy, one thing I've toyed with in my mind, but, have not tried in practice is a reverse pitch fan and a three way switch to reverse polarity to the fan motor. This could be operated manually or automatically or turned off.This would allow the electric fan on Susan's Wing to blow the heat out front and away from her while sitting at a light or in a traffic jam. You would have to reverse the fan once you got rolling or else the engine could overheat,otherwise, it would stop airflow transfer.You could use a relay in conjunction with the speed sensor for the turn signals to engage proper polarity while driving at slow speeds. Fans are not as efficient in reverse, so you would have to choose a fan blade that would give optimum air flowin either direction turned.
On most Wings I've seen the fan typically does not run once you get the bike rolling at a steady speed so this idea may help keep Susan from overheating and I'd be glad to help you lay out the electrical if you needed the help.
Regarding the helmet ride. Let me just say that I'm glad you went. Wish we had a chance to repeal the helmet law over here, but, I can't see it ever happening due to the stubbornness of the legal system.
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Frenchy, one thing I've toyed with in my mind, but, have not tried in practice is a reverse pitch fan and a three way switch to reverse polarity to the fan motor. This could be operated manually or automatically or turned off.This would allow the electric fan on Susan's Wing to blow the heat out front and away from her while sitting at a light or in a traffic jam. You would have to reverse the fan once you got rolling or else the engine could overheat,otherwise, it would stop airflow transfer.You could use a relay in conjunction with the speed sensor for the turn signals to engage proper polarity while driving at slow speeds. Fans are not as efficient in reverse, so you would have to choose a fan blade that would give optimum air flowin either direction turned.
On most Wings I've seen the fan typically does not run once you get the bike rolling at a steady speed so this idea may help keep Susan from overheating and I'd be glad to help you lay out the electrical if you needed the help.
Regarding the helmet ride. Let me just say that I'm glad you went. Wish we had a chance to repeal the helmet law over here, but, I can't see it ever happening due to the stubbornness of the legal system.
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Goldwinger1984, that is a picture of the bike before I owned it. Ibought it off of a guy just outside on Minneapolis. (hmmmm, I wonder if that has something to do with the low miles. Not a very long bike season up there.) The picture is out of a series that he sent to me when I was considering buying the bike. It is a Kansas bike now. I am going to take a few pictures of it this weekend. I have added several new things. ( Extra antenna for when I get my CB, Luggage Rack, Trunk Relocation Kit, Several LED Lights, Trunk Turnsignal Conversion Kit....) I am still toying with the rotor covers though.
Goldwinger1984, that is a picture of the bike before I owned it. Ibought it off of a guy just outside on Minneapolis. (hmmmm, I wonder if that has something to do with the low miles. Not a very long bike season up there.) The picture is out of a series that he sent to me when I was considering buying the bike. It is a Kansas bike now. I am going to take a few pictures of it this weekend. I have added several new things. ( Extra antenna for when I get my CB, Luggage Rack, Trunk Relocation Kit, Several LED Lights, Trunk Turnsignal Conversion Kit....) I am still toying with the rotor covers though.
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csanders67217, nice bike and it's even nicer to find one with low miles.
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csanders67217, nice bike and it's even nicer to find one with low miles.
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After reading the posts on " dying of heat" I had a word with my father (he's been riding motorcycles for over fifty years) and he explained it beautifully to me.
The excessive heat is not a design fault...it is in fact a design FEATURE. Apparently in the late 60's, a young Japanese lad by the name of Miko Hirihato came to stay with my family in Yorkshire on a student exchange scheme. Being as mad about motorcyles as my father he allowed him to ride around the North Yorkshire moors on one of many of my dads old BSA's. They are still in contact with each other to this day.
WithMiko's enthusiasm for bikes boosted even more,he went on to work in the motorcycle industry and eventually became a member of the Honda design team. It was thanks to Miko that the popularity of Goldwings soon took off in England. WIth Honda worried about competition from other bikes ... mentioning no names...Miko argued that if the English wanted a bike that would rattle their bones and leave them deaf they would continue to ride British bikes.
During a brainstorming session, and everybody being aware of Mikos experiences in England, they asked him for his most enduring memory of his days riding round the moors. Miko's reply was quick and to the point..." My regs were fliggin fleezing".
Enough said
After reading the posts on " dying of heat" I had a word with my father (he's been riding motorcycles for over fifty years) and he explained it beautifully to me.
The excessive heat is not a design fault...it is in fact a design FEATURE. Apparently in the late 60's, a young Japanese lad by the name of Miko Hirihato came to stay with my family in Yorkshire on a student exchange scheme. Being as mad about motorcyles as my father he allowed him to ride around the North Yorkshire moors on one of many of my dads old BSA's. They are still in contact with each other to this day.
WithMiko's enthusiasm for bikes boosted even more,he went on to work in the motorcycle industry and eventually became a member of the Honda design team. It was thanks to Miko that the popularity of Goldwings soon took off in England. WIth Honda worried about competition from other bikes ... mentioning no names...Miko argued that if the English wanted a bike that would rattle their bones and leave them deaf they would continue to ride British bikes.
During a brainstorming session, and everybody being aware of Mikos experiences in England, they asked him for his most enduring memory of his days riding round the moors. Miko's reply was quick and to the point..." My regs were fliggin fleezing".
Enough said
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