Endorsement

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I have an edorsement, so I can't exactly answer your question from that side of things. However, as a LEO I can tell you that you are likely looking at a ticket and then a resulting fine (unless you have made a long and repetative habit of not having an endorsment and getting caught). Depending on your state laws, the departments policies, and mood of the officer, you may end up with your cycle towed. Some areas have diversion programs for people charged with driving without a DL or with no insurance that will reduce penalties if a DL or insurance is obtained. The idea being that the ultimate goal is to get you "legal" vs. just dishing out punishments. Maybe you have this in your area? If not, either you, or your attorney if you have one, might be able to work something out with the prosecutor with similar type results. Hope this helps.

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i have rode bike for years and just in the last few years got my endoresment, i was stoped 3 times before i had it and they never even brought up the fact i did not have it, gave me my ticket for what i done wrong and left me drive away, 2 times in PA and 1 time in MD which i was out of state in MD,

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Different cops in different states. Too many variables Not worth the chance. Except a police driving by told me recently while I was out polishing on a very nice day,Why I wasn't out Riding? I told him I didn'thave an endorsement. He smiled and said, "I won't tell anyone."

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I'm probably too close to Rupert to answer this truthfully...

I think the punishment for driving any vehicle without insurance should be 10 times

as severe as not having an endorsement/license/permit... ( I mean jailtime even )

I won't even drive around the block without insurance...

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You made me look, ya, I have an endorsement.

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As an attorney I could only speak for my state, and I don't practice in that area so I won't even do that, but I will say....
Spoke to some LEO's around here recently who said there has been great discussion nation wide about crackdown on driving without the endorsement because of so many fatalities of late. Many states have strict penalties for driving without a valid license (recent legislation to crack down on those ignoring suspended licenses for driving without insurance, or suspended for dui's etc...) but those penalties had not been used in the past for driving without the endorsement, they were viewed differently. However, the discussion that is occuring now appears to be whether or not to use those stricter penalties (jail, impound etc...) for driving without the endorsement.

Personally, I've had mine for years now and wouldn't risk it.

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Cody in MN wrote:

I think the punishment for driving any vehicle without insurance should be 10 times

as severe as not having an endorsement/license/permit... ( I mean jailtime even )

I won't even drive around the block without insurance...

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I agree, but that said, in Washington insurance is not required at all for a bike. :baffled: I wouldn't ride without it myself but legally it's not required here.:shock:

BTW to the original subject, I've been endorsed since I started ridingin 1980, so I can't answer your question, sorry.

John

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Many many moons ago I got popped in Ohio riding without an endorsement. I got an operating without a license ticket.

Here in Wisconsin if you get the endorsement before the court hearing for the ticket they typically drop the ticket.

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Cody in MN wrote:

I'm probably too close to Rupert to answer this truthfully...

I think the punishment for driving any vehicle without insurance should be 10 times

as severe as not having an endorsement/license/permit... ( I mean jailtime even )

I won't even drive around the block without insurance...

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Truth?...

I've swapped tags on so many bikes over the years, I'd given up on even registering them. I've hadmany bikes. I've had many tickets. You play, you pay. But jailtime for improper registration, no insurance or improperly licensed (even combined) is ridiculous IMO.
Pretty much squared away today though.
We all pay for our addictions in one way or another.

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Wow your luck with just a ticket.. In CA they would have towed your bike to impound.. About a $100 a day while it sets there and no one in a hurry, Plus fines...........

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In my old agency, you would be arrested (not ticketed) and towed. Charged with operating unlicensed. Where I work now, it is a moving violation, and on first offense you can basically get off if you go and get the endorsement before trial. Small fine, no points. Keep it up, though, and you risk a habitual offender tag, big fines, loss of vehicle and possibility of jail.

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bdqadvisor wrote:

In my old agency, you would be arrested (not ticketed) and towed. Charged with operating unlicensed. Where I work now, it is a moving violation, and on first offense you can basically get off if you go and get the endorsement before trial. Small fine, no points. Keep it up, though, and you risk a habitual offender tag, big fines, loss of vehicle and possibility of jail.

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I'd dare say that I'm as responsible for my actions as anyindividual here.

Appreciate your concern though.

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Foodman wrote:

Wow your luck with just a ticket.. In CA they would have towed your bike to impound.. About a $100 a day while it sets there and no one in a hurry, Plus fines...........

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Yeah - I've been "endorsed" twice. When I moved here to CA in 2003 I walked into the DMV to change my license over. They handed me a 2 written exams right on the spot. A vehicle operators license exam and the motorcycle endorsement exam. Not that anyone shouldn't be able to pass them, but I was kinda shocked - I sorta thought there was some kind of reciprocity with Massachusetts - but no. Sit and take the exam. I aced them - but had to think about a few of the answers :cheeky1:.

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I got my first traffic ticket when I was 13, (1966). Stopped by the local
patrolman for riding a friends Honda 55 on the highway without a
drivers license and motorcycle endorsement. Marched me before the
municipal judge and after pleading guilty, paid the five dollar fine.

Got my MC endorsement the same day I got my drivers license, on
my sixteenth birthday. Just stayed off of the main highways with
the bike until then. :action:

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I've been riding since I was 10 so yea I rode without an endorsement. But I never rode on a public street or highway until I was 16 and got my Drivers License and Motorcycle Endorsement on the same day. Lots of miles on old logging roads and public lands before that though. I was never stopped until after I got the endorsement so I cant answer your question.

I suspect that like most of you here my time is very valuable to me. More valuable doing the things I want than to be standing in front of a Judge explaining why I don't have an endorsement or insurance.

I couldn't wait when I turned 16 to get my endorsement so I could ride on the street. My parents were very strict about how and where I rode up to that point.

Now I am in the same boat with my 12 year old grandson who rides his bike off-road and "Bitch" on the wing until he gets his endorsement when he turns 16...still won't let him ride the wing though, he'll have to get his own...:action:

Henry

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mzandmywing wrote:

Anyone been riding without an Endosrement? And have gotten stopped by a Policeman? Whats been the outcome?

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Only one way to find out.


:12red:
Dean

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As long as It's the right way.

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dean_3326 wrote:

mzandmywing wrote:

Anyone been riding without an Endosrement? And have gotten stopped by a Policeman? Whats been the outcome?

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Only one way to find out.

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The outcome is outlay.... CASH, and lots of it.

Now you know it for free.

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Unfortanatly i can sayyes i was stopped with out a endorcement. It actually was my first day of vacation last year and i got popped coming home from a BBQ ithe policeman followed me about 3 miles then pulled me over. He asked the usual questions about alcohol and such. I procedded to invite him to search my bike and belongings to prove i was sober. He was very nice just before the stop was over he asked me if i had a endorcement and i told him the tuth. I did not . He was a nice guy and was thankful that i had told him the truth. He just told me hat it would be a shame if he seen me on the road again without a endorcement. I procedded to go and get the endorcement the next day. Thanks to a very nice policeman i learned my lesson that day.