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Hi,

I was attempting to start my bike after many months. I connected my battery (I disconnect it when I do not use the bike for a while), turned on the ignition, lights came on, hit the starter button while switch was off, starter cranked.

I then pulled the choke, turned on the starter knob, and hit the button. The starter cranked but the bike did not start. Understandably, has been sitting for many months. I kept cranking in short bursts until the battery was finally dying but did not start.

So smart (dumb?) me, connected a battery tender, and continued to crank for couple of minutes, but it did not start. The black wire connected to the battery's left (negative) terminal was getting extremely hot. So I turned off the bike for a few minutes, disconnected some accessaories like running lights. And connected only the black wire from the starter to the negative and the red wire from the relay to the positive and tried once more (with the battery tender connected). Then nothing - no more cranks from the starter and a very soft click from the relay. Lights still worked.

So I then took the battery out, fully charged it, and put it back on. Cleaned my plugs, they were a little wet all seem equally dirty. Tried again. Lights works, headlight dims when I press the starter button. I get a loud click from the relay / solenoid, but no cranks from the starter.

Need some help, thanks in advance.

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Dan
 

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If the starter motor is worn out, do i then need a new starter? Thx. Yah, the black wire was actually smoking some :-(
 

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Dave, my bad in the description, the black wire I indicated is not "directly" connected to the starter, it is the connected just as you described.
 

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Got a chance this morning to trouble-shoot.

1. I first tried once more as-is -- lights came on, but when I pressed the starter, only got a loud clicks from the solenoid.

2. I then connected jumper cable, black end to battery negative and the other end to engine frame. I tried with key once more -- lignts came on, but when I pressed the starter, only got a loud clicks from the solenoid.

3. With cable still connected to the negative and frame, turned off the ignition key and removed it:
a. I connected the red end of cable to starter, and touched the other end to the battery positive -- got some arcing and the starter cranked.
b. I connected the red end of cable to the end of the starter cable where it connects to solenoid, and touched the other end to the battery positive -- got some arcing and the starter cranked.
c. I connected the red end of cable to starter, and touched the other end to the end of the starter cable where it connects to solenoid (with and without ignition on) -- got nothing.

4. And then with the black ends of the cable un-connected to anything, and ignition off:
a. I connected the red end of cable to starter, and touched the other end to the battery positive -- got some arcing and the starter cranked.
b. I connected the red end of cable to the end of the starter cable where it connects to solenoid, and touched the other end to the battery positive -- got some arcing and the starter cranked.
c. I connected the red end of cable to starter, and touched the other end to the end of the starter cable where it connects to solenoid (with and without ignition on) -- got nothing.

So does that mean the solenoid may have gone bad?

Thanks,
Dan
 

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Thx "chilidawg". Ordered one from Amazon last evening -- coincidentally
same seller and price as your ebay link *_*.
 

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further issues :-(

So this morning;
1. Fully charged my battery
2. Replaced the ground cable with one form auto-zone a 4 guage cable
3. Installed new solenoid
4. Started cranking, and all seemed good
5. Cranked multiple times, however, the bike still refused to fire.

AND THEN --

The negative stump of the battery started melting off. OK, so I disconnected the terminals and tried re-wiring the battery.

Now, with no key in ignition, I also removed the main fuse, the moment I touch the positive cable to the battery to connect it (ground / negative is already re-connected), the battery starts arcing / sparking.

I am so electically challenged - please help.

Thanks,
Dan
 

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hi -- i tried both ways -- red first then ground, ground first then red -- arcs either way -- is the battery dead?
 

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OK

Disconnected bike battery. Connected jumper cable on bike red to red cable that goes to solenoid, black to bike's ground cable.

Then connected red end of jumper cable to car battery positive terminal (car was off), and as i touched the black end of jumper cable to car batter negative, that arced / sparked too
 

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I did some more trouble-shooting in various combinations with the battery still disconnected.

The last thing I tried was connected the red end of jumper cable to starter terminal, and the other end to battery.

Connected the black end of jumper cable to ground cable and when i touched the other end of the black jumper cable to the battery -- still got arcing.

Is the issue with the starter? Is it shot? Does it need to replaced or rebuilt?

Thanks,
Dan
 

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Guess I am still wondering what is causing it to arc, never did before. And what caused the battery terminal to melt.

Also, when I last direct connected the starter it did not crank, it normally should have, the battery continued to spark.

I am still hestitant of connecting it all and trying to fire the bike.
 

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I did try to test the stater using a car battery, but it continued to arc.

I also tried connecting red to red, black to black and using a car battery to check once more -- the arcing is severe, and continuous, the arc were almost a foot wide. Really want to know what is causing that and how to fix that.

And, thanks for the tip on releasing the the possible hydrolock. Will do that once the electrical stuff is sorted out.

Any ideas on how to correct the severe arcing? Or what the root-cause is?

Thanks,
Dan
 

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I guess my starter is shot -- i disconnected the starter and tried connecting the battery -- no more arcing.

If it is shot -- guess I cannot re-build it -- right?

Where would be the best place to get another one?
 

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Thanks Dave -- will try and bench test starter and check for a hydrolock before I do anything else.
 

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Today I removed the starter and checked for hydrolocking. I turned over the motor without any problem. I then bench tested the starter -- and did get the same arcing / sparking. Guess, it was the the stater.
 
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