[oharaLTD]

I think my starter clutch is stuck. I was cranking on her after installing my single carb conversion and she would crank crank crank and then stop. release the button and crank crank crank and stop. did this twice and the last time it would not crank anymore. The starter seems to spin only. I have taken the starter off and without bench testing it, it is tight and spins. there is not any debris in the bottom where the starter mounts. The chain has tension one way and free spins the other way. With the bike in gear and the clutch pulled in, the bike is very difficult to roll. With the bike in neutral, the bike rolls freely. I have put the bike in gear and rocked her back and forth to no avail. The starter just spins. I am not sure, but I think the starter on these bikes does not kick out, it simply spins when you push the start button and turns the starter clutch with the chain. Is that correct?
What are my options. I have just installed the single carb, so it will be a dry start on a pull start.

 

[Mr Magic Fingers]

Hey Kevin,

I think that your battery is weak or has been depleted because of the amount of cranking. This is a classic symptom.

The starter clutch works off of centrifugal force. If the starter motor does not spin fast enough then it will not engage the clutch. Also, if you starter clutch is “gummed up” then the requirement to spin faster to engage is greater.

Recharge the battery and try again with starter fluid.

Tim.

 

[lying dog]

If the oil is to thick, not 10w30 , it will spin without turning engine.

 

[oharaLTD]

OK. I got her pull started with the golf cart. Man she started easy and idled just a smooth. The wonderful woman that I love was more than willing to give me a pull. After she had been running for a couple of minutes, she started pushing oil out of the dip stick tube that was added. I think this was due to crank case pressure because I had the crank case vent ran to the pod on the lower frame, that the hose from the original breather ran to. It pushed all the oil out with the exception of about 6 or 7 oz. I am not sure if that is what caused the oil to push out or not. I did not have any more oil to fill her up, so an oil change is in process. So with her pushing all the oil out, I guess it is safe to say that the starter clutch did not get any oil to it to help loosen it up. Needless to say, it still will not start with the starter. I plan to fill her back up with oil, pull start and go from there.

 

[oharaLTD]

Oh by the way, it is not a low voltage problem. I hooked her up to a hot automotive battery ( I know some will frown on this) and she still would not crank with the starter.

 

[oharaLTD]

shameless bump. still looking for input

 

[glhonda]

shameless bump. still looking for input

You are shameless, Kevin.
I'm a 1200 guy, but it was my understanding the 1100 starter was a reduction starter. If that's the case, could the drive gears be sheared. From the description, it sounds like the darn thing grenaded.

 

[trashtruck]

when refilling replace 1/2 quart of oil with 1/2 can sea foam or 1/2 qt ATF and pull start again. let run for 20 min or so then shut down and see if it will start.

 

[Ken Bergen]

you are shameless, kevin.
I'm a 1200 guy, but it was my understanding the 1100 starter was a reduction starter. If that's the case, could the drive gears be sheared. From the description, it sounds like the darn thing grenaded.

+1-1/2

 

[glhonda]

+1-1/2

I think you meant .5

 

[Ken Bergen]

I think you meant .5

Nope, more than 1 and less than two.:readit:

 

[DaveO430]

+1-1/2

Yep, plus 1 minus 1/2 = .5 or 1/2.

 

[DaveO430]

You are shameless, Kevin.
I'm a 1200 guy, but it was my understanding the 1100 starter was a reduction starter. If that's the case, could the drive gears be sheared. From the description, it sounds like the darn thing grenaded.

+ 1 3/4 , take the starter apart and look at the gears.

 

[oharaLTD]

will be looking at the starter. what about her pushing the oil out?

 

[DaveO430]

will be looking at the starter. what about her pushing the oil out?

\If I understood correctly you connected the vent to the catch can, that won't work as that can is not vented. The crank case has to breath or it builds pressure and will push oil out the path of least resistance.

 

[1983lux]

Hey There. I've had this happen on both of my bikes. I'd be wary of using seafoam or MMO is the crankcase. My last bike developed a bad conrod knock immediately after going a couple hundred kilometers with a pint of seafoam in the oil. When I drained the oil, it came out as thin as water. Maybe its just a coincidence that it developed the knock afterward, but it didn't fix my starter clutch.

However, here are some things I DO recommend.

-Put a heater next to the rear left side of the engine where the starter clutch is. Leave it overnight or for at least a few hours. The heat will make any old, goopy oil that is up in your starter clutch less viscous, and may free up the starter clutch. Has worked for me.

-Your second option if you continue having trouble is to make a small hole in the side of the case that allows you to spray cleaner and lubricant directly into your starter clutch. Details here:
http://goldwingdocs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12909

-If neither does the trick, you'll have to take your engine out and clean everything back there by hand, replacing parts as you go. It really doesn't take thaaat long if you put your head down and get into it, with all parts ordered beforehand. I don't think your problem has anything to do with your starter.

 

[Mr Magic Fingers]

Kevin,

I have heard of different people saying that the outer ring of the reduction gears in the starter head can become loose. The symptoms that they described are similar to yours.

From what they were saying, the set pin that mounts between the outer gear and the case of the motor either rusts out has gone missing (where to I can’t imagine) or gets sheared off with rust and age (see attached picture). I don’t know the validity of the claims. If you have the starter out is may be worth looking into and maybe cleaning up the starter when you’re in there.

http://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums...9376-82-gl1100-aspencade-starter-refresh.html

Tim.

 

[Mr Magic Fingers]

1983lux,

Respectfully, if you used a pint of Seafoam in your oil then I would surly expect you would have problems afterwards. It should have only been a few ounces per volume of oil as directed on the can of Seafoam.

I would be more concerned in drilling into a working engine and having metal falling into it. If you’re going to do anything like that, that part should be off that bike… at which point the starter clutch could be properly repaired. Also, the article in question is based on a GL1000 if I read it properly. This allowed the owner to advance the clutch with the kick starter which the 82's do not have.

Tim.

 

[oharaLTD]

my plan at present is to remove starter and dis-assemble and make sue it is in goood working order. when this occurred, i noticed at the initial pull of the starter, a piece of rhe cacing broken, as if something had occurred internally to cause that.been working all night, look forward to more replies. i am starting to think it i s in the starter. not the clutch