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Dave & Alex - targetted your names in title as you have helped a friend (John Juniper) in past and he felt you may be good points of contact for this, so thanks in advance for any response if you see this and feel able, but any one else with any thoughts I would be more than happy to hear.

Been running it (the 1998 GL1500SE) regularly this year and no hint of a problem, except for the one occasion in France 6 months ago when it did this same thing. I went to start it in the morning and on that occassion, battery flat, LED meter showing just a red light, and nowt at starter button. Managed to Bump it having pulled main lights fuse. Did not know what had happened on that occassion but wondered if pulled key out not quite in 'Off' position, or having used reverse a lot night before during parking whether that contributed. It ran fine ever since then.


The battery monitor is always showing all is well with green LED's when running. Battery is an expensive aircraft battery -( but I should probably get it tested just to confirm ok)

But this morning, went to run it and out of the blue a repeat performance 6 months later - Nowt on the starter button, absolutely zilch as in France and the battery monitor showing just the red and a flickering Amber. So a completely discharged battery. I ran it last week fine and it has spent a day on Optimate two days ago.

I checked the key position and it was firmly in OFF and I cant believe for a second time it's been pulled just out of the true OFF position as I have never managed to do that even when trying.

I had not used anything last time out i.e Reverse, SatNav, CB, Audio systems so all had been left off.

A few minutes on the Optimate and I already have the Amber firm, and yellow light on, and the bike lights on, so it's obviously charging quite quickly.

So now not at all sure that was the problem in France given this, and no idea where to start looking. I have been putting battery on optimate every week for a day, and it was in fact only on it two days ago, so must I assume have occured since then and it is about a week since I last ran it.

Any ideas very welcome as this sort of very intermittent not good for Euro touring !
 

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First thing is have your battery tested. If it checks good then you are checking for a parsitic draw on the battery when key is off. Make sure key is off and removed from the bike. That way there is no way to "blow" your test meter. Remove the negative lead from the battery and put an ameter, set to milliamps, in between the battery and the negative lead. You should read very little no amperage draw.
 

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I'd suggest installing a Relayed Power Supply, for all your accessories, so as to ensure that they are all Off when the ignition is turned off.

I once had a set of heated grips that were supposed to turn themselves off automatically, but did not actually do so.

Beyond that, you might also want to verify that your alternator is working ok... If it's the stock Honda unit, then it may need service, otherwise there may be intervals where it is not charging the battery.
 

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+ 1 on what John said about getting the battery tested first to be sure it is good. Then do the parasitic draw test with everything turned off. You should read less than 5 milliamps curent draw with everything turned off. That would be the radio memory, clock, etc. that is doing the small current draw all the time.
 

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Good suggestions already but the comment about the battery charging quickly is an indicator of a bad battery. A good battery when discharged will take some time to charge where a bad battery may show a full charge in a short time.
 

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Folks thanks for the responses. I certainly need to get battery properly checked out then and will test the parasitic draw.
It sounds like I may also need stock alternator looked at then, as it is std with 27k miles (but has always shown all green LED's lit when running indicating charging ?). I have also been told that the 'rectifier' in the alternator ? may sometimes actually cause a draw from the battery when running, but that this would not show up on the battery monitor LED ? If alternator sometimes not charging I had assumed the LED monitor would show this when running ?
 

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Yup certainly check the battery out..on a '98 are these the Chinese alternators?...and, is the LED voltage monitor factory fitted on the SE?..also, 6 x months ago ( in France, maybe up in the Pyrenees?...the weather temp was "cooler"...now, it is "cooler" again....battery?...maybe..worth having professionally checked out.
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Folks, an update - Have just checked battery as suggested and this is outcome :

Tested voltage with ignition off and key out = 12.9 which looks ok.

No parasitic drain as well less than 5 ma

Tried to start, it turned over and voltage meter dropped below 10 volts while engine was turning on starter.

It eventually started and voltemeter reading 14v with engine running.

Does this still suggest battery or charging issue ?

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Looks like the charging system is fine. The battery dropping below 10v when starting is not good.
 

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I agree with Dave. Your battery is exhibiting symptoms of being on it's last leg, or more acurately it's done. But don't take our word for it. Do some checking on your own. First thing to check is that the battery still has water covering the plates. If not top it up with distilled water ONLY. Put it on a suitable battery charger, no more that 2 amps, and charge it overnight.

If that doesn't correct the 10v with the key on then take it to an auto parts store where they test them for free and get their take. They will most likely also have a suitable replacement.
 

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I jsut went though the SAME symptoms with my GL1100. Replaced it with an AGM battery two days ago.

Went out this morning (26 degrees F) and was able to start the old girl with little difficulty. The only difficulty came in that the engine was cold, and didn't want to run at first, so I had to start it 3 times to get hr running.

The amazing thing is that the AGM battery (350 C.C. Amps) never hesitated.

My 2 cents, replace the battery with an AGM.
 

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I jsut went though the SAME symptoms with my GL1100. Replaced it with an AGM battery two days ago.

Went out this morning (26 degrees F) and was able to start the old girl with little difficulty. The only difficulty came in that the engine was cold, and didn't want to run at first, so I had to start it 3 times to get hr running.

The amazing thing is that the AGM battery (350 C.C. Amps) never hesitated.

My 2 cents, replace the battery with an AGM.

what brand of battery did you get and where from?
 

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Mr. Vern you were not addressing me but I'll give you my two cents worth anyway. The link below is where I bought my AGM battery. It is going on 5 years old now and still cranks the bike like a new one. Best battery I ever had in a motorcycle. I highly recommend the AGM battery for a bike. It spins the starter faster than any other battery I have had in it. Most of the wet cell ones would have a slight hesitation when the starter first starts to turn and then would come up to full speed. This one has always spun up quickly when you touch the starter.

http://www.batterystuff.com/batteries/motorcycle/honda/1994/1500cc-gl1500-gold-wing/
 

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what brand of battery did you get and where from?

I purchased a Motocross Platinum M6250H from a local shop called Battery Specialists (Hickory, NC). I could have mail ordered, but was in a hurry, so I probably paid a little more. on the other hand, I called them, they had what I needed in stock, and agreed to put the initial charge on it.

There is also another number associated with the battery that pulls up google hits: YTX24HL-BS.

I think the battery folks told me that the Motocross batteries are manufactured by Yuasa which appears to be the case.

bottom line, including local tax - $93.62. Not too bad for a good starting bike, no matter the temperature.
 

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Mr. Vern you were not addressing me but I'll give you my two cents worth anyway. The link below is where I bought my AGM battery. It is going on 5 years old now and still cranks the bike like a new one. Best battery I ever had in a motorcycle. I highly recommend the AGM battery for a bike. It spins the starter faster than any other battery I have had in it. Most of the wet cell ones would have a slight hesitation when the starter first starts to turn and then would come up to full speed. This one has always spun up quickly when you touch the starter.

http://www.batterystuff.com/batteries/motorcycle/honda/1994/1500cc-gl1500-gold-wing/

Bellboy, did you get the Scorpion? It seems quite a bit cheaper. I ended up with the Motocross and I like it, but if the Scorpion is just as good....
 

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beware if the battery doesn't have robust lead terminals or has thin metal terminals as the scorpians appear to have,be very careful when tightening cables,had a similiar one that started fine for about 3 months until the terminals started to corrode from vapors escaping from battery,subsequently the terminals broke when attempting to undue and clean same,hopefully wont happen in your case
ultimately replaced with odyssey battery with no troubles since after 6 months
 

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...the terminals started to corrode from vapors escaping from battery...
They won't corrode, if you coat them with Dielectric Grease during assembly.
 

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When I had a bad Hitatchi alternator, it ruined my glass mat battery. I didn't have the bucks for a AGM, so I bought a Wally World lead acid battery. Since replacing the AGM with the lead acid battery, the alternator, and keeping it on a battery tender, It still works fine. Been 3 years now. jimsjinx
 

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Bellboy, did you get the Scorpion? It seems quite a bit cheaper. I ended up with the Motocross and I like it, but if the Scorpion is just as good....
No, they were not handling the Scorpion when I got mine 2008. Mine is the Motocross battery and it was $94 when I bought mine. I see they are $102 now. Sounds like you got a good price on your locally.
 
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