[jkycks]

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GL1500 Reverse Problem - could be move few inches only on each time press the start/reverse button.
Every thing look normal, today I clean the start/reverse button box but no use.
Then I check the 65A fuse under the seat, it look ok no burn.
And I adjust again the right side where the reverse bar turning point, it's fit.
Final I open the left side covers, check the switch beside the reverse bar(by the right), spray some cleaner inside to clean only(coz switch look can't open), after, it's sound OK but not help for the few inches move only case.

The only method to move is turn the reverse bar ~3/4 until almost touch the switch beside(but not yet touch) then press the start/reverse button, the bike will reverse normally, so strange?? I think that is some electric equipment problem, not mechanical problem. Do any body know which part got problems?

Pictures attach:

Total press the button, bike just could move few inch & stop;

This position(~3/4), the bike could move normally non stop;

Cleaned;

Adjust to fit;

I think reason come from this three wires: White/blue line ; Black/white line ; Brown, but where they connect to??
*Thanks Dave Bohrer told me that :
White/blue wire goes to the Reverse Diode Assembly;
Black/white wire goes to the Neutral Indicator Light Bulb on the dash;
Brown/white wire provide voltage from the 5 amp Start/Reverse fuse.

 

[agnogel]

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There is a test for the system on page 18/8 of the Honda manual, to long to list here

 

[DaveO430]

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The problem may be the switch is loosing contact when fully engaged. There should be voltage on the brown/white wire when the lever is all the way up. Put the lever in the 3/4 position and check for voltage then all the way, if voltage goes away when up the problem is the switch. If this is good then one of the power control relays or the reverse control unit could be bad.

 

[nsjoe]

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...what Dave and Peter said. Welcome to the forum Jacky. Nice pictures in your post. Very clear.

 

[jkycks]

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Thanks guys, cause Hong Kong have not much GoldWing here and the problems experiment repair also not much too, hoping at your country - the real GoldWing world could provide more answer to me.

Tomorrow, I'll going to double check with a meter on:
1/ The Reverse Lever switch;
2/ Those Power control relay;

*Remind again: Reverse level pull up 3/4 without touch the reverse lever switch, every thing run OK, reverse smoothly.

**Can I keep on using this way to reverse for ever?? :doh:

 

[jkycks]

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Just measure/check the reverse level switch, it work well, press and push with different connect, no problem;

Then check the two Power control relay and the speed limited relay, all work well, have action on 12V connect.

Check again the reverse function, same no change, just move few inches.

don't know what to do now.....................

 

[jkycks]

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Do you think this case is same as mine?

 

[agnogel]

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hi jacky have you done this test and if so what were the results

 

[papasmurf]

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My 2 cents:
Removed my starter in springand cleaned it. Had LOTS of crud inside. Polished commutator. Re-lubedfront planetary gearset, aswas very low on grease.Wing backed up better but still not likewhen I bought it 9 years ago. Jim Venne of Venco Wings informed me that:
1. 2 adjustments in service manual for reverse lever/cables must be right on or reverse won't work well or at all.
2.Reverse resister [ sitting atop exhaust system collector] must show 1.3 ohms on each of it's 3 leads. Tested mine; only oneread OK; others showed zero. Needto replace resistor thiswinter whileWing's in storage. Jim said that bad ohm readings on resistor leads produce jerky backup/surging [ textbook symptomson my Wing].
Hope this may help a bit. TTFN.....Old Tom

 

[jkycks]

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Tonight, I have double check the 65 amp speed limiter fuse under the seat:

First I test it's resistant on both end, result is "0", mean voltage through well;

Then I test the voltage compare with both fuse end, first the in point, result is ~12V

Then test the voltage out point, result is ~12V too. That mean this fuse is absolute work well.

It's too late at night, I have to test the Start Relay Regulator tomorrow, cause I need to start the bike, it will too noise to the neighbor.

Problem going more and more difficult, just worry problem not on Starter Relay Regulator, then I have to open more and more parts to the next point - the Reverse Resistor Assembly.

 

[jkycks]

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Tonight, I checked the Starter Relay Regulator:
the LT BLU+ & GRN- ~1 V when pushed the starter/reverse switch;
the LT BRN/RED+ & GRN- ~12 V when pushed the starter/reverse switch after 0.3 seconds, think it's right cause it's over the minimum 4V;

Basically, I think this parts working normal and pass.

Then I take Inspection on the Reverse Switch, it work normally as the catalog 18-28 said

At last I check the Reverse Resistor Assembly also, all three readers are right on 1.7 ohm, I think it's pass also. But I found the 3P-BRN Connector is crazy dirty fill with some milky grey jelly?? I clean it thoughtfully and reinstall to test again, finally the same, not help on my case.

Oh my God! Hard checking for few days can't find the problem, I think have to send to HONDA HK to repair it...

 

[jkycks]

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Disappointed

Disappointed America have million of GoldWing, but don't know why can't find many case as me, even found, they could not tell us how to repair it.:?

 

[jkycks]

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HaHa! I Got It! :dude: I Got It! :dude: I Got It! :dude:

What a big bike, just hurt by a tiny parts, a 1/4" long spring inside the "Starter/Reverse switch".

For few days hard searching, step by step, place by place, still can't find any hints.
Tonight, I keep on searching again. I found that tonight even Start the machine have little problem. Problem like electricity contact no good in somewhere... detail to feel and watch again, I found problem may come from the Starter/reverse switch, at the same time, I try to test the reverse function again, it works once! So I decided to open again the switch to check (2 days before I was cleaned it already).
I'm opening and thinking at the same time, what's wrong? It's clean already........ Finally, I found the tiny brass parts springing no good is the reason! This time I add some jelly grease under the parts around/between the spring too. Also lightly pull the spring little bit longer and re-install all back. It Works! It Works! It Work!
Before reinstall the switch, I double check the contact points at the base, and found one of the contact point is no good, just touch near the edge, may be someday will get more serious hurt by the sparkle when pressing the switch, I'll pay attention on this parts on future.

* Steve Saunders also have teaching us how to clean this parts: http://www.goldwingfacts.com/1500startbutton.htm

My working photos:

Front Look

Back Look

Totally Spring average and balance

Abnormal Poor Spring 1

Abnormal Poor Spring 2

The Bad touching contacts

** Final Comment:
GoldWing always a good bike in my mind, not much maintenance, comfortable on riding, good looking(I like GL1500 more than GL1800, 1800 too smooth without the Hero look...), even this time make me in trouble, but finally it just a tiny problem, just can't find somebody experiment on internet.
Anyway, hope my experiment could help somebody in the future! :waving::waving::waving:

 

[nsjoe]

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good job Jacky.

 

[satan]

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Awesome -- The real "Hero" here = jkycks

Thanks for the great photos!

 

[FitzAl]

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Well done Jacky. That solution is already here in the Bikers Workshop part of the site in thistutorial;



http://www.goldwingfacts.com/1500startbutton.htm



Its a rare problem, same symptoms as you and this tutorial has pictures showing how to fix the switch, such as this one;

Now go out and enjoy some riding time on your Goldwing.

 

[exavid]

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Good job Jacky!:clapper::clapper:Excellent pictorial too. You didn't get too much information from the "home of the Goldwing" because this problem is rare, not many have had it. Now there is your work to help others who experience this problem.

 

[jkycks]

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FitzAl wrote:

Well done Jacky. That solution is already here in the Bikers Workshop part of the site in this tutorial;

http://www.goldwingfacts.com/1500startbutton.htm

Its a rare problem, same symptoms as you and this tutorial has pictures showing how to fix the switch, such as this one;

Now go out and enjoy some riding time on your Goldwing.

Yes, I also found that before, but it can't tell us all symptoms will cause from this, at least you can't illustrate that "regular 2 inches stop" symptom. It leads you thinking it is an electronic instrument over load or similar stuff... anyway one more symptoms got one more experiment.:waving:

 

[jkycks]

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Oh my God! For just few times riding, same problem appear again!?! Now have to search for others experiment again ... ... ... : (

 

[HogansWing]

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Jacky, that is one clean bike you got there. Do you clean it more than ride it?
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but don't you have to keep you thumb on the button to keep moving it? They say you should only hold it in 5 seconds at a time.
I very rarely use mine so I am not all that familiar with it.