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GL1500 Shifter spindle loose

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CBH
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Has anyone ever had a loose shifter spindle? I have been missing some shifts recently, and I discovered the shifter spindle is loose. I can move it around in a circular pattern. I looked at my shop manual, and I'm not comfortable tearing in to it. It looks like it could be a few different things, so I'm planning on taking it to a shop.
I'm hoping it is going to be an easy and low cost repair.
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dj norm
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Hi

If you do some search on the forum you will find that some loose is normal as far as shifting many have improve the shifting with the engine oil DELO LE 15w40 have done some little miracles check this out first...
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CrystalPistol
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Are you perhaps referring to the spindle as seen outside the lower engine covers that the shift lever actually clamps to? :?


If so, like earlier GL 1000 / 1100 / 1200 bikes, the GL1500 has a shifter shaft (17 top drawing) with seal (29 top drawing)that exits the engine / trans case ...
... butunlike earlier GL 1000 / 1100 / 1200 bikes, the GL1500 then has a "extension shaft" (2 lower drawing) that clamps to that shaft where the shift lever (1 lower drawing)attaches on the earlier bikes that extends out past the lower engine / exhaust covers. The shift lever you use your boot on (1 lower drawing again)clamps to this shaft.

As I recall, bolt (21 lower drawing)hasan 8mm (maybe it was 10mm?)head on it, and it will loosen up and exagerate shifter action .... but shafts are splined and the bolt fits in a groove so as long as it's in place, can't come apart.

I had same loosness develope over time once, enough so that it wasnearly out of travel in the slot of the lower left engine cover. I used a 1/4 drive 8mm (maybe it was10mm?)socket, some extensions, and small ratchet to tighten up and remove slop from below. You should use a small shop light and a mirror on a stick to see it first and get orientation.

Took me longer to get wrench put together and lay down under left side engine than to actually tighten it?

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{edited to correct bolt's head size from 8mmto10mm ..... and then later to say "8mm (maybe it was10mm?)" ..... as now I'm not sure :?}

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ALEX BERECZKY
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The shifter is always pretty loose... no way to improve it, except in the case of having an extremely worn shift seal and replacing that.



So far as missing shifts goes, that could be due to the Clutch Slave Cylinder needing service (eg Bleed, clean, or even a rebuild)
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CrystalPistol
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ALEX BERECZKY wrote:
The shifter is always pretty loose... no way to improve it, except in the case of having an extremely worn shift seal and replacing that.

So far as missing shifts goes, that could be due to the Clutch Slave Cylinder needing service (eg Bleed, clean, or even a rebuild)
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Alex, the shifter seal does not tighten anything up, it's soft and simply attempts to seal. The shaft it rides on is pretty well located in it's bearing, my 1500 has over 80K and that shaft is not loose at all.

If the shaft you see outside the lower engine cover of your 1500 is sloppy .... maybe your pinch (bolt as described in my last post, you'll see it from underneath or by peeking through the side cover hole) is sometoo loose also? Might benifit you to crawl under there and have a look see, just a little loose really amplifies movement as it let's the long shaft wiggle up and down as you attempt to shift.

If it's loose enough, potentially it could easilylead to missed shifts due to excess travel as the shaft outside the motor that you can see does not pivotaround it's center .... it travels in a short arc around the center of the inner shift shaft stub that you can't see for that cover as it is "offset" due to how it attaches.



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CBH
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CrystalPistol....that very well may be the problem! I will take a look at it. Thank you so much!
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CBH
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Well that was easy! I took a side cover off and used a 1/4" drive ratchet with extensions and a 10mm socket. The bolt would turn only about 1/4 of a turn, but it fixed the problem!!
Thanks CrystalPistol! :applause:
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Bellboy40
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Hey, good to hear you got the problem fixed. No matter what the problem is, someone on this forum knows what to do to fix it.
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dj norm
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wow good learning experience thanks all.

Its nice to have a follow up and a feedback after repair.
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CrystalPistol
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CBH wrote:
Well that was easy! I took a side cover off and used a 1/4" drive ratchet with extensions and a 10mm socket. The bolt would turn only about 1/4 of a turn, but it fixed the problem!!
Thanks CrystalPistol! :applause:
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You are very Welcomed Sir!! ;)I was thinking 8or 10mm when I wrote that but was favoring 8 mm.

10mm it is then. :thumbsup:



You maybe removed the left lower engine side cover behind head above foot pegs? Reading this tonight, seems I maybe did that and was looking up from underneath on my back? I recall it was easy to do, just not so easy to see at first.

In any case, a little tightening kiled a lot of slop!

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Ken Bergen
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CrystalPistol wrote:
I was thinking 8or 10mm when I wrote that but was favoring 8 mm.

10mm it is then. :thumbsup:
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Actually you were correct. The origanal bolt was a 6mm flange bolt that has an 8mm head. Someone in the past has changed the bolt to a regular non-flange bolt thus the 10mm head.
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CrystalPistol
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Actually you were correct. The origanal bolt was a 6mm flange bolt that has an 8mm head. Someone in the past has changed the bolt to a regular non-flange bolt thus the 10mm head.
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Oh .... I see Ken .... that would 'splain why my memory in "replay mode"showing a flanged bolt which an 8mm socket fit? :bow:
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Spondulas
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After reading this post, I tried the "fix" on my sloppy shifter and it fixed mine also!

Mine uses a 10 mm flanged bolt and it turned less than 1/4 turn but that was enough.

CrystalPistol, a great big thank you for helping me fix a problem in 15 minutes that I have fussed about for 4+ years. :applause:

BTW, I know mine uses a 10 mm flanged bolt because I just finished the job about 10 minutes ago. Any longer, and I probably wouldn't remember!
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CrystalPistol
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Spondulas wrote:
After reading this post, I tried the "fix" on my sloppy shifter and it fixed mine also!

Mine uses a 10 mm flanged bolt and it turned less than 1/4 turn but that was enough.

CrystalPistol, a great big thank you for helping me fix a problem in 15 minutes that I have fussed about for 4+ years. :applause:

BTW, I know mine uses a 10 mm flanged bolt because I just finished the job about 10 minutes ago. Any longer, and I probably wouldn't remember!
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Very Welcomed as well .... maybe they came both ways, 8 and 10mm? :?:ROFL:
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