I just ordered the HP for $199.00 it is almost the same as the Dell Precision that I wanted and it 17.3" and will hold 3 hard drives. Now that's a bad @$$ laptop and I'll upgrade the memory myself as I can get it on Ebay and it's DDR3 and that's common. Thanks for the heads up on that. I prefer larger not smaller screens 14" is the smallest I'll go, I currently use a 15" daily. Do miss my old 17" Toshiba with Vista. Never had an HP laptop, I have all Dell ones.