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I put a Winter Sport ROF on my 1500 this spring
There was a little weird feeling the first couple of times that I leaned it over and the rear moved a little bit to catch the edge.
My local shop made me sign the ticket that it was a CT and not their liability.
I have not had a problem with putting it on the center stand. I stand on the center stand pad and pull up on the grab bar of the seat
Caution: When you apply the rear brake, the bike will want to stop, real fast.
I have almost 3,000 on mine and have not had a problem.
Most seem to like theirs at 41 psi, so that is where I keep mine.
 

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I should of also stated that very few, very very few ever go back to MC tire. The stopping power alone will sell you. I didn't care about the cost savings, I was looking at the increase in safety. And that tread pattern is awsome looking.
 

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mikeyrx wrote:
Just a thought for you: I have been running a Federal 175/60-16 on my GL 1500 for almost 2 years now. I carry a piece of 1x6 in the trunk to back the rear wheel onto when I need to put it on the centerstand. I cannot get the bike up on the centerstand without doing this.
Mike Mullins (Mikeyrx)
Same tire here but no extra wood. Like I said, it's all in the technique. I gotta do it everytime I fuel up. Demotte isn't too far away. Maybe I can slide by there sometime towards the end of the month and give you a hand. I used to have a lot at Lake Holiday right off I-65 and State Road 10 so I am somewhat familiar with the area. If interested, send me a PM....
 

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us385south wrote:
Dark Side: adj.~ American vernacular slang.
A colloquial term derived from the supposed Jedi culture first described in the Star Wars movie series. This term is commonly applied to the practice of mounting automobile tires on heavy cruiser or touring motorcycles. Members of this motorcycling sub-sect are often referred to as “dark-siders” and are considers a rogue element within most motorcycling circles. Popular belief among cycling mainstream culture claims dark-siding results in instantaneous “crash and burn” death scenarios. Yet strangely, no real evidence of this has ever surfaced from any substantiated source and the practice seems to be gaining in popularity.
See Also: Dark Lord, Sith, Squid(s) and “We have cookies!”.
Nice.
 

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Thanks Larry ... have a call into them and hope they call back with a good word.
What tire are you going with?
Ordering the Dunlop Wintersport 175/60/16 today from TireRack.com. Talked to the guy at Seattle Cycle service and though he sounded reluctant he said he would do it. Might just try it myself first, can't hurt.



Will post a pick when I get it mounted up.
 

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not trying to hijackthe thread but ... WHERE DA DAMN COOKIES !!:jumper:



















Got my tire yesterday ...



Spent 1 hour trying to break the bead on the old one, inexperiance showing I'm sure.



Spent 45 minutes getting the dang valve stem in (cut the old one out). Ended up just pulling with a pair of channel locks trying not to damage the rubber or the 90. Going to go with bolt on patch boy from now on.



Spent an hour muscleing the tire on ... it's doable but a stone cold bee-atch. I'll probably have it done next time. Had to take the wheel to the local Les Schwaub to get the bead set. My little pancake compressor just didn't have it. All is swell ... well



BIG TIP -If you want to test fit the wheel to see if everything is good, do it BEFORE you grease the splines. I didn't. (I'll regret it I'm sure as I didn't static balance the tire. Going to try dynabeads and if anybody tells me I'm crazy and stupid, I guess I'll figure out how to get the wheel back off ... but I didn't see it.) Could not get it back out as the wheel would pull away from the 5 pins and did not have enough room to get the tire back out ... live and learn.



Found out my luggage frame is tweaked (probaly from a layover) and a PO knew this as they left a bolt out of the left side. Reason ? Can't get the muffler reattached at the rear with all the frame bolts in ... more muscle with the right sequence and I now have all the bolts.



Have new rear brake pads installed (and should do the front soon I guess) and everything is cleaned up nice and spiffy.



Ok, waiting on some speed bleeders for brakes and dyna beads for the tire before I can try this bad boy. I'll give some feedback on the tire when I get things wrapped up.



We iz DARKSIDE !! :applause:



Thank you to the ABSOLUTE BEST GW forum on the net. You guys and gals have given a hack garage mechanic the confidence to try this stuff and suceed.



:bow::bow::bow::bow::bow::bow::bow::bow:



Pat
 

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Not a highjack... I have been on sites like that, where everyone is really uptight about every word posted... thread nazis.

I ain't like that... glad to see you are getting into the spirit of things...

You might have more posts faster than me as i am moving a bit slower... i took the day off to wash and polish the valk which is my daily rider these days.

Waiting on my last part for the wing to arrive...

Doesn't that tire look sexy on the bike...
 

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Looks great. :)

Going to be a couple days for me too as waiting on parts.

Chomping at the bit BIG time.
 

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jpelmer wrote:
larryinseattle wrote:
jpelmer wrote:
Thanks Larry ... have a call into them and hope they call back with a good word.
What tire are you going with?
Ordering the Dunlop Wintersport 175/60/16 today from TireRack.com. Talked to the guy at Seattle Cycle service and though he sounded reluctant he said he would do it. Might just try it myself first, can't hurt.
Walter might have been hesitant just because you called and asked about mounting a car tire. Perhaps he thought you were fishing for something related to it. He mounts them all the time.

Looks to me you got it done!! Good job.

I am sure you learned quite a bit about your motorcycle doing it yourself. That is over my head. My next tire change, I might take the wheel off and put it back on but I take the wheel to a shop to have it mounted.

I was down to Enumclaw today on a ride with the GWRRA. Very nice day for a ride.
 

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larryinseattle wrote:
jpelmer wrote:
larryinseattle wrote:
jpelmer wrote:
Thanks Larry ... have a call into them and hope they call back with a good word.
What tire are you going with?
Ordering the Dunlop Wintersport 175/60/16 today from TireRack.com. Talked to the guy at Seattle Cycle service and though he sounded reluctant he said he would do it. Might just try it myself first, can't hurt.
Walter might of been hesitant just because you called and asked about mounting a car tire. Perhaps he thought you were fishing for something related to it.

He mounts them all the time. I bought my front tire from Motorcycle Warehouse and had it shipped directly to him and brought over my car tire.
I will definetly remember him if I wear this tire out before I upgrade. Absolute sore shoulder muscles right now from taming that bee-atch. Got it done myself though which I wasn't sure I could do. Just a few irons and a lot of goop.
 

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Just a little update ...



Fretted all night about not checking the wheel balance before buttoning it up and this mornig tore it all down again (getting faster :) ). Managed to keep the spider snug and monkeyed the wheel off. Static balance - well crap, that was 20 min. I didn't need to waste. About as fine as possible. Will still put in the dyno beads when they arrive.

You know, getting tab a into slot b while aligning boltdis very tedious ... then when you forget a step (routing release cables !!) and have to do it all over again, well let's just say it's a good thing all that plastic looks good when you get done 'cause it shore is a pain.



All done, all shiny and clean - now the need for a test ride.



Wow - seems really low. I'm 6'2", could easily flat foot and stand up before ... now seems like I got 4-5" below the crotch when I stand up and stopping at a light is a new experiance. Have to learn not to slam my heel down.



The ride - WOW ... smooth, quiet, solid. I think it actually stays ina corner very nicely with no need for additional counter-steer.Don't have a lot of real twisties around, but made due with a couple back and forth corners and it is very smooth. Goes into a corner and simply holds that line until you want to comeout. I think I used to have to over-steer with the E3 and handle the bike a bit more than now. Maybe just wishful anticipation and wanting it to be better, but I truely believe the cornering is superior.

Ran over some rough new road and felt very smooth. Hit some squiggles and the bike handled very well. Would have crabbed all over the place before but now seems very solid and seems to plow through the lines.



The downside - I'm sure I'll get used to it but the increase in RPM does 2 things. One; it makes me really want that extra gear ... when you're used to loping along about 2500 - 2700 and now winding up to 3000 easily, it just sounds wrong. Two; around town speeds are not as pleasant. 35 - 38 mph around town was nice just under 2000 RPM in OD. Now feels like I am lugging too much. (This sounds wrong to me as I re-read to proof. If the RPM are higher, OD should be stronger at 35 - 38 mph ... hmmmmm).

As I said I'm sure I'll get used to it, but right now I really don't like the higher RPM.



Overall a spectacular move and one I'm going to enjoy for some time.



Thanks.

Pat
 

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Forgot to mention ... don't have any problem with the center stand ... I think this is still easier than the '81 Silverwing I used to have.

Thanks
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You have crossed over to the Darkside and have seen the light at the end of the tunnel. LOL.
And it looks sexy as well. Did you stand on the rear brake yet to see what the braking is like?? You will like that as well.
 

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I was at a rally a while back and some guys were talking about the ct. One guy said he had a friend who had put a ct on his 1800. He ran over a peice of metal or something in the road and went down. When he did he hit a guardrail and caused about 6k in damage to the wing (thankfully he was not hurt bad). Problem was the insurance would not pay to have the bike fixed since it had a"unapproved" tire on it. All Dunlop would do was replace the tire so this guy was stuck with a 6k repair bill. Has anybody ever heard of this? I've thought about a ct myself untill hearing this story.
 

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Problem was the insurance would not pay to have the bike fixed since it had a"unapproved" tire on it. All Dunlop would do was replace the tire so this guy was stuck with a 6k repair bill. Has anybody ever heard of this? I've thought about a ct myself untill hearing this story.
My guess is he had some cheap insurance, and we have heard this excuse before. If the tire thing was valid, they would be refusing to pay for all the cars and trucks that are running tires not approved for the vehicle they are installed on. Just my .02 cents worth.
 

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You have crossed over to the Darkside and have seen the light at the end of the tunnel. LOL.
And it looks sexy as well. Did you stand on the rear brake yet to see what the braking is like?? You will like that as well.
Actually in my little test run I find that I need to do front brakes and maybe the rear master ... kind of mushy right now.
 

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jpelmer: Nice write up on the wintersport...

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I was at a rally a while back... Has anybody ever heard of this?
Alrighty, here we go... an often discussed topic. You met someone that knew somebody that heard a story that Elvis was riding a car tire through Roswell, New Mexico when an alien space craft appeared... and yadda, yadda, yadda. These stories always seem to end with some sort of an insurance dilemma.

Here's my view on CT horror stories:(and I have heard plenty...)

1.) I have heard so many of these stories, which are always surprisingly similar, I have learned to attribute them mostly to urban legends. It's always about the insurance... not the accident. And they never include pictures or first hand accounts.

2.) I did see one (and only one) image of a CT failure posted on the Valkyrie board. Only once... and Valks are notoriously dark sided. Having actually seen the picture the failure was not due to it being a CT and the guy riding the bike speculates that IF he had been running a MC tire at the time... he'd prolly be dead. So he pretty much claims the stiffer sidewall of the CT to saving his life.

3.) Under Texas vehicle inspection law CT's are "approved." If it has at least 3/32" of tread and is properly load and speed rated... it's legal. If it's legal, it can be insured.

4.) I would HIGHLY suspect that most insurance adjusters wouldn't know the difference anyway. When the guy with the clip board is there, I would practice a "don't ask don't tell" policy. I find it best not to actively help insurance companies to screw me.

5.) I don't even ride bikes that cost 6K. I let other fools take the dealer hit and I buy the bike later when it's value is more aligned to what it is actually worth. There's nothing I like better than seeing a bike for the first time with laundry hanging from it, cat's sleeping on it, two flat tires and a dead battery.... that's a deal in the making.
 

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Tires are rated for weight and speed, period. A car tire is not exclusively a car tire.

Please provide a city and state for this car tire insurance urban legend.

The "little lizzard" company has no issue with a ct mounted on a motorcycle as long as it is rated for the weight and speed.
 

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I'm not sure where the guy was from with the issue. The guy talking about it was at a rally in Ashville NC.
 

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I'm not sure where the guy was from with the issue. The guy talking about it was at a rally in Ashville NC.
I checked with BOTH of my insurance carriers, Progressive and AmFam and they do NOT have a problem with a car tire on a bike, as long as it is hiway rated it will NOT be a problem. I'd like to have a talk with that carrier.
 
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