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I just saw this on FB while scrolling this morning.


http://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/homeowner-finds-intruder-in-his-house-pulls-out-his-gun-and-shoots?fbclid=IwAR2qAn_3Rn8vPJcNpzRU7Ia0_f61f0CH45BKkh5PWFbEKxD8JmS39IhFVfE




ATLANTA (FOX 5 Atlanta) - When an Atlanta man walked into his house on Arthur Street Friday morning, he was startled when he saw an intruder. Police say that's when the homeowner grabbed his gun.

We live in a rural area, and have felt safe where we are....
but, just before we left on vacation, there was a story of a guy pulling a gun on a cash register clerk in a women's shopping center....

the same store that my daughter frequents a lot.

she passed her CCW permit class, but never finished up taking the registration to the Sheriff's office to have it approved. seems $100 is a lot of bucks for her. :frown2:
 

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ATLANTA (FOX 5 Atlanta) - When an Atlanta man walked into his house on Arthur Street Friday morning, he was startled when he saw an intruder.
That's why I live in that neighborhood. Last time the cops were called it took them 45 minutes to show up for an armed robbery with shots fired.

Usually the troublesome ones work as gangs and do home invasions here but there are plenty of singles out there working too. Like the one I caught in my fenced back yard looking in the garage. When I stepped out with my 6" stainless S&W he had the "Sir"s coming out of him almost as fast as the lies.

Since he was outside and didn't make any sudden moves, I let him walk back thru the dogshit minefield and climb the fence he came over at.

Ain't seen too much of him or his ilk since.

Still waiting for the big assault attempt on the house. Got gifts for all concerned.
Got tired of renewing the CCW so I carry more painful but less lethal stuff when out and about. But in the house... I hope you fellas told your mama that you love her before stopping in uninvited because Rudy only likes good surprises.
 

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There are several lethal weapons in my home, at least one in every room. As well as a very healthy yet unsocialized pit bull.
I have trail cameras set up outside my home. I also have neighbors who are like minded and we watch each others homes.

Pull some stupidity in my neighborhood yer gonna get ventilated...a lot.
 

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There are some states that do not have stand your ground laws. California used to be one of them. If an intruder broke into your home while you were there, you had to announce that you had a gun and ask him to leave. If he came toward you, you were obligated to retreat to a safe spot. If it at all possible, you were required to leave the home and seek shelter some place else and notify the police. From my understanding this is no longer the case but you are still limited on how you may confront an intruder. Unless you are a very knowledgeable attorney, chances are you will end up violating his rights somehow.
 

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There are some states that do not have stand your ground laws. California used to be one of them. If an intruder broke into your home while you were there, you had to announce that you had a gun and ask him to leave. If he came toward you, you were obligated to retreat to a safe spot. If it at all possible, you were required to leave the home and seek shelter some place else and notify the police. From my understanding this is no longer the case but you are still limited on how you may confront an intruder. Unless you are a very knowledgeable attorney, chances are you will end up violating his rights somehow.
If you make sure the intruder is in no condition to sue there shouldn't be a problem.
 

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just finished a book about just such a case in Opelika, AL.

intruder caught the wife and husband in bed at 2 a.m., neutralized them with a stun gun.
zip tied their hands and feet, held a .380 to the head of the husband to make the wife feel the horror of him being killed.

the son slipped into the bedroom with dad's 12ga and bore sighted the intruder with a headshot. the 12ga put the 8 year old boy on the floor, with a mangled eyebrow, but the intruder was dead.

CSI and sheriff ruled it lawful homestead protection.

the boy is undergoing a lot of psychological help with this.

( the boy had been trained to use the shotgun " a much lighter gauge though " )
he knew how to point and shoot.
 

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just finished a book about just such a case in Opelika, AL.

intruder caught the wife and husband in bed at 2 a.m., neutralized them with a stun gun.
zip tied their hands and feet, held a .380 to the head of the husband to make the wife feel the horror of him being killed.

the son slipped into the bedroom with dad's 12ga and bore sighted the intruder with a headshot. the 12ga put the 8 year old boy on the floor, with a mangled eyebrow, but the intruder was dead.

CSI and sheriff ruled it lawful homestead protection.

the boy is undergoing a lot of psychological help with this.

( the boy had been trained to use the shotgun " a much lighter gauge though " )
he knew how to point and shoot.

I do believe that a shotgun is the weapon of choice for home protection. In the south, kids are brought up with guns. Whether it's hunting or target practice, they know and understand what a gun of any type can do. Many people only take it out to play with it or show it to a friend then put it back to hide it from the kids. Which family do you think is most likely to have a mishap?
 

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Consider an AR15 for home defense.
The. 223 round will actually penetrate fewer walls than a 9mm. The 223 round will fragment pretty quickly whereas the 9 or other handgun calibers will keep moving.
I'm too lazy to post links to support that, but we all know how to use Google.
 

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my shotgun is a venerable 20 ga Stevens that I got for Christmas when I was 8 years old, break over, single shot of course.


My .223 is a Ruger Mini-14 and I can pull the trigger on that thing pretty fast.


those are backed up with a .45 hydrashock, and two 9mm hydrashocks pistols.


hope none of them ever need to be fired in anger...
 

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30-06 under the couch
12ga beside the stove (custom ammo)
12ga over the front door (custom ammo)
Bullpupped SKS just inside the bedroom door
9mm S&W Shield 8 shot with three mags loaded with Hornady Special Defemce rounds in the wife's desk drawer
9mm Sig Sauer 17 shot with three mags loaded with custom made fragmentation rounds always within arms reach of me

Scoop shovel in the shed black contractor bags in the kitchen drawer.

Brother's a funeral director with unlimited private access to three different crematoriums.

Castle doctrine my a55.
 

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30-06 under the couch
12ga beside the stove (custom ammo)
12ga over the front door (custom ammo)
Bullpupped SKS just inside the bedroom door
9mm S&W Shield 8 shot with three mags loaded with Hornady Special Defemce rounds in the wife's desk drawer
9mm Sig Sauer 17 shot with three mags loaded with custom made fragmentation rounds always within arms reach of me

Scoop shovel in the shed black contractor bags in the kitchen drawer.

Brother's a funeral director with unlimited private access to three different crematoriums.

Castle doctrine my a55.
This reminds me of the eighty some years old woman that gets stopped by a cop. She says to him that she has a ccw and a gun in her purse. Then the cop asks her if she has any other weapons in the car, "yes sure she replies, I have a Colt in the glove compartment a S&W on my waist and a shot gun in the trunk"
"What are you afraid of" the cop asks
"Not a darn thing" the old lady replies
 

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Consider an AR15 for home defense.
The. 223 round will actually penetrate fewer walls than a 9mm. The 223 round will fragment pretty quickly whereas the 9 or other handgun calibers will keep moving.
I'm too lazy to post links to support that, but we all know how to use Google.
Depending on what bullet is used, maybe. If the 9mm is a FMJ & the 223 is a varmint bullet, maybe. If both are FMJs then no way.
 

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I'm gonna guess that 99.999% of .223 that's used is bog-standard FMJ?
 
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