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Wife ,I ,my son and GF wrote some nice backroads to Titusville not far from where Kennedy launches take place. We stoped and had lunch by the water surrounded by beautiful views.
On return home we took a more direct route because of the heat.
Rt 1in that are is a 4 lane road with very little traffic. We were traveling North on this road when I saw two fire trucks going South. After we past the interception point they made a U turn and were about half a mile behind us with the siren on. It was only them and us on the two North lanes. My son and us were on right lane on the far right side. The fire trucks passed us on the left lane and when they got even with us they blasted their siren to the max as in" get the F out of the way"
There was absolutely no reason for that as they had plenty of room.
I think the law says to give them the right of way and stop IF necessarily. about a quarter mile from that point they made a right in which I had a chance to give them the middle finger.
Whats your take on this?
 

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Being a firefighter for almost thirty years in my younger days I know there are some drivers that will use the siren as needed and others that will never let off of it. Sounds like you had one of the latter. I don't think the siren was on MAX as they passed you, it just sounded that way since they were right there next to you. I agree that it was unnecessary in a way but I can tell you that in those thirty years, 25 of which I also drove the trucks I had people that had no clue at all you were coming since they never used their mirrors, and this included motorcycles and next thing you know they cut you off. While not necessary to keep the siren going nowadays with electronic sirens I personally would have given it a few blips as I was coming by to make sure I had your attention. As far as flipping them off, That I do not think was appropriate, these guys have a tough enough job as it is and need public support not hate. Just think of it this way, if it were your property burning would you want them to not use the siren because it might upset someone? I have had cops do that to me where they either started right next to me, came up on me so fast I never saw them coming or they came out of a side street and again I never saw them but when that siren goes off in your ear and you never knew it was there I can tell you it give the adrenaline gland a workout!!! I have almost crashed twice due to that, usually into the car next to me.
 

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rarely did our guys hold the siren down all the time....
it would be used appropriately depending on the circumstances.

coming up behind you, the would give a blip to get you to look in your mirrors, but with you all the way over to the right edge of the pavement ( I assume that is what you did? )

they would have just kept tooting it on occasion to be sure no cross traffic got in the way.

Here in Oologah, OK.... IF they are running to an emergency, they hold it down because they will be overtaking traffic.

most of us around here, pull over and slow down or completely stop:
yes, even on the interstates.....

I think you should have hugged the right edge, and slowed way down.
make it obvious to them you know they are there.

IMO, you were wrong to give them any uncourteous actions.

they don't need that hassle. they are already stressed out.
 

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Firemen are just a bunch of thrill seekers, anyway. I mean, these are the guys who will run into a burning building to save your dog, who's cowering from the flames in the back bedroom. These are the guys who get up in the middle of the night and rush to you because you are having chest pains...

...These are the guys who risk their lives to get to your motorcycle accident as quickly as possible, just in case more than your ego has been hurt.

Maybe, just maybe, they deserve our utmost courtesy.
 

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Wife ,I ,my son and GF wrote some nice backroads to Titusville not far from where Kennedy launches take place. We stoped and had lunch by the water surrounded by beautiful views.
On return home we took a more direct route because of the heat.
Rt 1in that are is a 4 lane road with very little traffic. We were traveling North on this road when I saw two fire trucks going South. After we past the interception point they made a U turn and were about half a mile behind us with the siren on. It was only them and us on the two North lanes. My son and us were on right lane on the far right side. The fire trucks passed us on the left lane and when they got even with us they blasted their siren to the max as in" get the F out of the way"
There was absolutely no reason for that as they had plenty of room.
I think the law says to give them the right of way and stop IF necessarily. about a quarter mile from that point they made a right in which I had a chance to give them the middle finger.
Whats your take on this?
Well, at least we know the fire trucks presence was no surprise...
but the drivers of those fire trucks didn't have this knowledge.


If they hadn't sounded the blast and were passing a motorcycle or two whose riders didn't know they were there, if one or both motorcycles became "involved" with a fire truck "on a mission", and again if there had been no warning blast, could have been ugly in civil court. I know, the blast are sudden and LOUD and there probably is no volume control, but the driver of the fire truck has what he has and a lot of other to deal with.


They probably didn't see your finger salute.
 

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I think the actions on both sides were uncalled for.
 
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The 2019 Florida Statutes

Title XXIII
MOTOR VEHICLES
Chapter 316
STATE UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL

316.126 Operation of vehicles and actions of pedestrians on approach of an authorized emergency, sanitation, or utility service vehicle.—
(1)(a) Upon the immediate approach of an authorized emergency vehicle, while en route to meet an existing emergency, the driver of every other vehicle shall, when such emergency vehicle is giving audible signals by siren, exhaust whistle, or other adequate device, or visible signals by the use of displayed blue or red lights, yield the right-of-way to the emergency vehicle and shall immediately proceed to a position parallel to, and as close as reasonable to the closest edge of the curb of the roadway, clear of any intersection and shall stop and remain in position until the authorized emergency vehicle has passed, unless otherwise directed by a law enforcement officer.
 

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I have seen many drivers, motorcycles included that do not yield the right of way to emergency vehicles. Even if the vehicle is coming from the opposite direction, you should at least slow down and move to the right side of the lane.

The use of the siren , and lights, is for people to know there is an emergency vehicle coming.

No i am not a firefighter or ambulance driver or a police officer, but I do yield to all of them. You have no idea what the actual emergency is.
 

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Rambozo, thats a great find. But I think it applies on a two lane road only. I would assume that you're not required to stop when you are traveling a multilane road . If so 99% of the drivers are at fault.
According to that paragraph even the cars that come from the opposing direction have to do the same.
Imagine that on 12 lane rd.

More over here is an extract from the same article

"While en route to such emergency, the emergency vehicle shall otherwise proceed in a manner consistent with the laws regulating vehicular traffic upon the highways of this state.
(4) This section does not diminish or enlarge any rules of evidence or liability in any case involving the operation of an emergency vehicle.
(5) This section does not relieve the driver of an authorized emergency vehicle from the duty to drive with due regard for the safety of all persons using the highway.


Have in mind that I rod at at least the highway speed. They made a u turn behind me and caught up to me within 3/4 mile. That tells you they travelled at a very high speed.

I mostly agree with Daves statement. Thanks for all the comments
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Now that you have had input and time to think, would you use the hand signal again? :?
 

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I hope you never need their help !! You should have pulled over to the right and stopped, they are going to an emergency situation and they must be sure they know you know they are there. You said they made a right turn 1/4 mile ahead, maybe they wanted to be in the right lane as they approached the turn. I read the Florida handbook and I didn't see the word IF anywhere in that section You were wrong.
 

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Interesting, most make it my fault which partially could be and nobody cares about them speeding.
Next time you hear a siren anywhere stop roll on your back and play dead.DID YOU READ ABOUT THEM HAVING TO OBEY TRAFFIC LAWS ,JOE?
Go back and read my previous post pls

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Interesting, most make it my fault which partially could be and nobody cares about them speeding.
Next time you hear a siren anywhere stop roll on your back and play dead.DID YOU READ ABOUT THEM HAVING TO OBEY TRAFFIC LAWS ,JOE?
Go back and read my previous post pls

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Two wrongs don't make a right. And if it was my house burning, I'd hope they'd break some speed laws getting to it.
 

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They do have to obey the laws regulating traffic. However, the vehicle code spells out exactly what those laws are and what exemptions there are for emergency vehicles.

Specifically, speeding, running red lights and stop signs with just slowing down, going the wrong way on a street, and other things I see them do on a daily basis, are all perfectly legal. And at least around here I see in excess of 95% of people move to the right and stop. With just a few morons that either ignore them or come to a stop in the middle of the road.

316.072 Obedience to and effect of traffic laws.—
(1) PROVISIONS OF CHAPTER REFERRING TO VEHICLES UPON THE HIGHWAYS.—The provisions of this chapter shall apply to the operation of vehicles and bicycles and the movement of pedestrians upon all state-maintained highways, county-maintained highways, and municipal streets and alleys and wherever vehicles have the right to travel.
(2) REQUIRED OBEDIENCE TO TRAFFIC LAWS.—It is unlawful for any person to do any act forbidden, or to fail to perform any act required, in this chapter. It is unlawful for the owner, or any other person employing or otherwise directing the driver of any vehicle, to require or knowingly permit the operation of such vehicle upon a highway in any manner contrary to law. A violation of this subsection is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.
(3) OBEDIENCE TO POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS.—It is unlawful and a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083, for any person willfully to fail or refuse to comply with any lawful order or direction of any law enforcement officer, traffic crash investigation officer as described in s. 316.640, traffic infraction enforcement officer as described in s. 316.640, or member of the fire department at the scene of a fire, rescue operation, or other emergency. Notwithstanding the provisions of this subsection, certified emergency medical technicians or paramedics may respond to the scene of emergencies and may provide emergency medical treatment on the scene and provide transport of patients in the performance of their duties for an emergency medical services provider licensed under chapter 401 and in accordance with any local emergency medical response protocols.
(4) PUBLIC OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES TO OBEY CHAPTER; EXCEPTIONS.—
(a) The provisions of this chapter applicable to the drivers of vehicles upon the highways shall apply to the drivers of all vehicles owned or operated by the United States, this state, or any county, city, town, district, or any other political subdivision of the state, subject to such specific exceptions as are set forth in this chapter.
(b) Unless specifically made applicable, the provisions of this chapter, except those contained in ss. 316.192, 316.1925, and 316.193, shall not apply to persons, teams, or motor vehicles and other equipment while actually engaged in work upon the surface of a highway, but shall apply to such persons and vehicles when traveling to or from such work.
(5) AUTHORIZED EMERGENCY VEHICLES.—
(a)1. The driver of an authorized emergency vehicle, when responding to an emergency call, when in the pursuit of an actual or suspected violator of the law, or when responding to a fire alarm, but not upon returning from a fire;
2. A medical staff physician or technician of a medical facility licensed by the state when responding to an emergency in the line of duty in his or her privately owned vehicle, using red lights as authorized in s. 316.2398; or
3. The driver of an authorized law enforcement vehicle, when conducting a nonemergency escort, to warn the public of an approaching motorcade;
may exercise the privileges set forth in this section, but subject to the conditions herein stated.

(b) The driver of a vehicle specified in paragraph (a), except when otherwise directed by a police officer, may:
1. Park or stand, irrespective of the provisions of this chapter;
2. Proceed past a red or stop signal or stop sign, but only after slowing down as may be necessary for safe operation;
3. Exceed the maximum speed limits so long as the driver does not endanger life or property;
4. Disregard regulations governing direction or movement or turning in specified directions, so long as the driver does not endanger life or property.
(c) The foregoing provisions shall not relieve the driver of a vehicle specified in paragraph (a) from the duty to drive with due regard for the safety of all persons, nor shall such provisions protect the driver from the consequences of his or her reckless disregard for the safety of others.
 

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Like it is here in Va., there are one or more statutes concern how motorist will or should conduct them selves when encountering an emergency vehicle responding to emergencies …
… and then there is a statute telling the emergency vehicle's operator how he/she is required to operate said emergency vehicle when responding to an emergency.
https://m.flsenate.gov/Statutes/316.126 Operation of vehicles and actions of pedestrians on approach of an authorized emergency, sanitation, or utility service vehicle.
http://m.flsenate.gov/Statutes/316.072 Obedience to and effect of traffic laws.


Looks like they were in compliance.
 

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Ref: them speeding.

Arizona I am familiar with explicitly. marked speed +15 mph is allowed.

that law was put in place while I lived in Arizona and some LEOs from various municipalities and state, were trying to catch a villain...

that criminal ran thru a City of Tempe intersection at +100 mph and T-boned an 18 year old college mom who had her newborn baby in the back seat strapped down. for all the good that did.

Killed both of them instantly.

IIRC, in less than 30 days, the governor signed a law that no high speed chases would be allowed, they would do a follow as much as they can, and radio for help. the villain will be caught eventually. it is not worth the life of a family.

for Oklahoma, I have not observed any Emergency Vehicle running at what appeared to be +15 or more. In Oologah, with a 45 mph limit, they run about 55. our main street is only 1 mile long, the higher speed just is not worth the risk of an intersection collision every 250 feet.
 
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