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Here's lil' bit of stuff found on the interference net:Manna

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Not to be confused with the rune Mannaz.
For other uses, see Manna (disambiguation).
Manna (sometimes or archaically spelt mana), (Hebrew: מָ‏ן) is the name of a food which, according to the Bible, was eaten by the Israelites during their travels in the desert; until they reached Canaan, the Israelites are implied by some passages in the Bible to have eaten only manna during their desert sojourn,[1][/suP] despite the availability of milk and meat from the livestock with which they traveled, and the references to provisions of fine flour, oil, and meat, in later parts of the journey's narrative.[2][/suP] The manna is also briefly mentioned in the Qur'an, with the Sura of the Cow,[3][/suP] Sura of the Heights,[4][/suP] and Sura of the Flattening,[5][/suP] mentioning the divine supply of manna as one of the miracles with which the Israelites were favoured; these passages only describe manna as being good things which have been provided ... as sustenance.[6][/suP]






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edit] Biblical description



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Frostw.jpgHoarfrost on grass lawn.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sa-cilantro_seeds.jpgCoriander Seeds close-up.
In the description in the Book of Exodus, manna is described as being available each morning after the dew had evaporated.[7][/suP] It is described in the Book of Numbers as arriving with the dew during the night;[8][/suP] the Book of Exodus adds that manna was comparable to hoarfrost in size,[9][/suP] and similarly had to be collected before it was melted by the heat of the sun.[10][/suP] According to the Book of Exodus in the Bible, manna is described as being white "like coriander seed" in colour.[11][/suP] The Book of Numbers describes it as having the appearance of bdellium.[12][/suP] According to the Book of Numbers, the Israelites ground it up and pounded it into cakes, which were then baked, resulting in something that tasted like cakes baked with oil.[13][/suP] The Book of Exodus states that raw manna tastes like wafers that had been made with honey.[11][/suP] The Israelites were instructed to only eat the manna they had gathered for each day, for leftovers or storing any up for the following day resulted in manna that "bred worms and stank".[14][/suP] The exception to this occurrence was the day before the Sabbath when twice the amount of manna was gathered, which did not spoil overnight.[15][/suP]

edit] Identifying discrepancies in the description of manna's attributes
Textual scholars view conflicting descriptions of manna owing to having been derived from different sources, with the description in the Book of Numbers being from the Jahwist text, and the description in the Book of Exodus being from the later Priestly Source.[16][/suP][17][/suP] The Babylonian Talmud, however, argues instead that the differences in description were due to the taste varying depending on who ate it, with it tasting like honey for small children, like bread for youths, and like oil for the elderly;[18][/suP] similarly classical rabbinical literature rectifies the question of whether manna came before or after dew, by arguing that the manna was sandwiched between two layers of dew, one layer of dew falling before the manna, and the other falling after it[2][/suP].

edit] Identifying manna



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tamarix_aphylla.jpgA tamarisk tree in the Levant desert.
Some scholars have proposed that manna is cognate with the Egyptian term mennu, meaning food.[19][/suP] At the turn of the 20th century, Arabs residing in the Sinai Peninsula were selling resin from the tamarisk tree as man es-simma, roughly meaning heavenly manna.[2][/suP] Tamarisk trees (particularly Tamarix Gallica) were once comparatively extensive throughout the southern parts of the Sinai Peninsula, and their resin is similar to wax, melts in the sun, is sweet and aromatic (like honey), and has a dirty-yellow colour, fitting somewhat with the biblical descriptions of manna;[20][/suP][21][/suP] however, this resin is mostly composed from sugar, so it couldn't provide sufficient nutrition for a population to survive over large periods of time,[22][/suP] and it would be very difficult for it to have been compacted to become cakes.[21][/suP]




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ant_Receives_Honeydew_from_Aphid.jpgblack ant with a clear bubble of honeydew produced by a green aphid.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wax_scale.jpgScale insects covered in waxy secretions.
In the Biblical account, the name manna is said to derive from the question man hu, seemingly meaning what is this?;[23][/suP] but this is an Aramaic etymology not a Hebrew one.[21][/suP] Man here is most likely to be cognate with the Arabic term man, meaning plant lice, with man hu thus meaning this is plant lice;[21][/suP] the equation with plant lice fits with one of the two most widespread modern identifications of manna, namely that manna refers to the crystallised honeydew of certain scale insects.[21][/suP][24][/suP] In the environment of a desert, such honeydew rapidly dries due to evaporation of its water content, becoming a sticky solid, and later turning whitish, yellowish, or brownish;[21][/suP] honeydew of this form is considered a delicacy in the middle east, and is a good source of carbohydrate.[24][/suP]

The other widespread identification is that manna is the thalli of certain Lichen (particularly Lecanora esculenta);[22][/suP][24][/suP] this food source is often used as a substitute for maize in the steppes of central asia.[22][/suP] This material is light, often drifting in the wind, and has a yellow outer coat with white inside, somewhat matching the biblical description of manna, although it does need additional drying, and is definitely not similar to honey in taste.[22][/suP]




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Semilanceata.JPGA collection of dried Liberty Cap mushrooms.
A number of ethnomycologists such as R. Gordon Wasson, John Marco Allegro and Terence McKenna, have suggested that most of characteristics of manna are similar to that of psilocybe cubensis, namely that such mushrooms are notorious breeding grounds for insects and decompose rapidly. These peculiar fungi which naturally produce a number of molecules which resemble human neurochemicals first appear as small fibres (called mycellium) which resemble hoarfrost. This speculation (also paralleled in Philip K. Dick's posthumously published The Transmigration of Timothy Archer) is supported in a wider cultural context when compared with the praise of Haoma in the Rigveda, and Mexican praise of teonanácatl as well as the peyote sacrament of the Native American Church, and the Holy Ayahuasca used in the ritual of the União do Vegetal.[25][/suP]

Other minority identifications of manna are that it was a kosher species of locust,[26][/suP] that it was the sap of certain succulent plants (such as those of the genus Alhagi, which have an appetite-suppressing effect[27][/suP]).

edit] Origin
The origin of Manna is clearly in heaven according to the Bible (Psalms 78:24,25, Psalm 105:40 and John 6:31), but the various naturalistic identifications of manna have been compared to things in nature. In the Mishnah manna is treated as a supernatural substance, created during the twilight of the first Friday in existence,[28][/suP] and ensured to be clean by the sweeping of the ground by a northern wind, and subsequent rains, before it arrives.[29][/suP] According to classical rabbinical literature, manna was ground in a heavenly mill for the use of the righteous, but some of it was allocated to the wicked and left for them to grind themselves.[2][/suP]

edit] Use and function
As a natural food substance, the consumption of manna would produce waste products; but in classical rabbinical literature, as a supernatural substance, it was argued that manna produced no waste, resulting in no defecation among the Israelites until several decades later, when the manna had ceased to fall.[30][/suP] According to modern medical science, the lack of defecation over such a long period of time would cause extremely severe bowel problems, especially when other food later began to be consumed again; the classical rabbinical writers argue that the Israelites complained about the lack of defecation, and were concerned about potential bowel problems.[31][/suP]

According to a number of vegetarian Christians, God had originally intended that man would not eat meat, because (according to these sources) plants cannot move, and therefore killing them wouldn't be sinful;[32][/suP] the supply of manna, a non-meat substance, is quoted by these sources as an example of this intention against eating meat.[6][/suP] This may perhaps be reinforced in that when the people complained and wished for quail, God gave it to them, and those who ate it grew sick after.[33][/suP]

Food wasn't the only use that manna was put to, according to the rabbinical writers; one classical rabbinical source states that the fragrant odour of manna was used as a perfume by the Israelite women.[2][/suP]

edit] Gathering
According to the biblical text, each day exactly one Omer of manna was gathered per member of each household,[34][/suP] regardless of how much effort was put into gathering it;[35][/suP] a midrash attributed to Rabbi Tanhuma remarks that although some people were diligent enough to go into the fields to gather manna, lazy individuals just lay down and caught it with their outstretched hands.[36][/suP] The Talmud argues that this property was used to solve disputes about the ownership of slaves, since the number of omers of manna each household could gather would indicate how many people were legitimately part of the household;[37][/suP] the omers of manna for stolen slaves could only be gathered by the legitimate owner, and therefore the legitimate owner would have a spare omer of manna.[37][/suP]

Nevertheless, according to the Talmud, manna was found near to the homes of those with strong belief in Yahweh, and far from the homes of those with doubts;[37][/suP] indeed, one classical midrash argues that manna was intangible to non-Jews, as it would inevitably slip from their hands.[38][/suP] The Midrash Tanhuma argues that when manna melted, it formed liquid streams that were drunk by a number of animals, flavouring their flesh;[39][/suP] this Midrash goes on to argue that some of these animals were subsequently eaten by non-Israelites (implying that such food was also available as an alternative to manna), and it was only in this indirect manner that non-Israelites were able to taste manna.[39][/suP] Despite these descriptions of uneven distribution, classical rabbinical literature expresses the view that the manna fell in very large quantities each day, layering over two thousand square cubits, between 50-60 cubits in height;[2][/suP] rabbinical literature states that this was enough to nourish the Israelites for 2000 years,[2][/suP] and could be seen from the palaces of every king in the East and West,[40][/suP] although this improbable statement may be metaphorical.

edit] The Sabbath
The biblical text states that twice as much manna than usual was available on Friday mornings, and none at all could be found on the following day[41][/suP];[42][/suP][43][/suP] the text goes on to state that although the manna usually rotted after a single night,[14][/suP] the manna which had been collected on Fridays remained fresh for two nights.[15][/suP] According to the narrative, the Sabbath was instituted at this point,[44][/suP] with Moses stating that the extra portion was to be consumed on the Sabbath,[44][/suP] and Yahweh instructing him that no one should leave his place on the Sabbath,[45][/suP] so that the people could rest during it.[46][/suP]

Textual scholars regard this part of the manna narrative to be spliced together from the Yahwist and Priestly Source texts, with the Yahwist text being the one emphasising rest during the sabbath, while the Priestly Source merely states that a sabbath exists, implying that the meaning of a sabbath was already known.[21][/suP][47][/suP] Biblical scholars regard this part of the manna narrative as an aetiological myth designed to explain the origin of sabbath observance, which in reality was probably pre-Mosaic.[21][/suP]

edit] Duration of supply
According to the Book of Exodus, the Israelites consumed the manna for 40 years, but it then ceased to appear once they had reached a settled land;[48][/suP] the Book of Exodus also states that the manna ceased to appear once the Israelites reached the borders of Canaan (which was inhabited, by the Canaanites).[48][/suP] According to the Book of Joshua, the manna ceased to appear on the day after the annual passover festival, when the Israelites had reached Gilgal.[49][/suP] Textual scholars attribute these variations to the fact that each expression, of when the manna ceased, derives from different source texts; the claim that the Israelites ate manna for 40 years, until reaching a settled land, is attributed by textual scholars to the Priestly Source;[47][/suP][21][/suP] the reference to Canaan's borders is considered to be either from the Jahwist account, or a later redaction to synchronise the account with that of the book of Joshua.[47][/suP][21][/suP] There is also a disagreement among classical rabbinical writers as to when the manna ceased, particularly in regard to whether it remained after the death of Moses for a further 40 days, 70 days, or 14 years;[50][/suP] indeed, according to Joshua ben Levi, the manna ceased to appear at the moment that Moses died.[2][/suP]

edit] The Pot of Manna
Despite the eventual termination of the supply of manna, the text states that a small amount of it survived within a golden pot, which was kept adjacent to the Ark of the Covenant;[51][/suP] the text indicates that the instruction for this to occur had been given to Moses by Yahweh, and Moses had delegated the task to Aaron.[52][/suP] The Epistle to the Hebrews gives a slightly different account, stating that the golden pot was stored inside the Ark.[53][/suP] The classical rabbinical sources give different viewpoints on how long the golden pot survived, with some arguing that it was only there for the generation following Moses, and others arguing that it survived at least until the time of Jeremiah;[2][/suP] textual scholars attribute the mention of the golden pot to the priestly source, therefore indicating that the golden pot existed in the early 6th century BC.[47][/suP]

edit] Later cultural references



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Koeh-062.jpgManna Ash
By extension "manna" has been used to refer to any divine or spiritual nourishment. In a modern botanical context, manna is often used to refer to the secretions of various plants, especially of certain shrubs and trees, and in particular the sugars obtained by evaporating the sap of the Manna Ash, extracted by making small cuts in the bark.[54][/suP] The Manna Ash, native to southern Europe and southwest Asia, produces a blue-green sap, which has medicinal value as a mild laxative,[55][/suP] demulcent, and weak expectorant.[56][/suP]

In the 17th century, a woman manufactured a clear, tasteless, cosmetic product, which she named the Manna of Saint Nicholas of Bari; initially this was very popular, but after the deaths of 600 men, who were married to women using the product, government investigations discovered that the cosmetic was primarily composed of arsenic.[56][/suP] In modern times, Roman Catholic authorities annually collect a clear liquid from the tomb of Saint Nicholas;[57][/suP] the pleasant perfume of this liquid is argued by Roman Catholic legend to be able to ward off evil, and for this reason it is sold to pilgrims as the Manna of Saint Nicholas.[58][/suP] The liquid gradually seeps out of the tomb, but it is unclear whether it originates in the body within the tomb, or from the marble itself; since the town of Bari is a harbour, and the tomb is below sea level, there are several natural explanations for the Manna fluid, including the transfer of seawater to the tomb by capillary action.[59][/suP]

edit] Further reading
  • Arthur, James (2000). Mushrooms and Mankind: The Impact of Mushrooms on Human Consciousness and Religion. Escondido, CA: Book Tree. ISBN 1585091510.
  • Heinrich, Clark (2002). Magic Mushrooms in Religion and Alchemy''. Rochester, VT: Park Street Press. ISBN 0892819979.
  • Merkur, Dan (2000). The Mystery of Manna: The Psychedelic Sacrament of the Bible''. Rochester, VT: Park Street Press. ISBN 0892817720.
  • Mckenna, Terence (1993). Food of the Gods: The Search for the Original Tree of Knowledge A Radical History of Plants, Drugs, and Human Evolution. New York: Bantam Books. ISBN 0553371304.
edit] See also



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edit] Notes and references

  1. ^ Numbers 21:5
  2. ^ [suP]a[/suP] [suP]b[/suP] [suP]c[/suP] [suP]d[/suP] [suP]e[/suP] [suP]f[/suP] [suP]g[/suP] [suP]h[/suP] [suP]i[/suP] Jewish Encyclopedia
  3. ^ The Quran, Surat Al-Baqara, Verse 27 (Wikisource)[1]
  4. ^ The Quran Surat Al-Araf (Wikisource)[2]
  5. ^ The Quran, Surat Taha (Wikisource)[3]
  6. ^ [suP]a[/suP] [suP]b[/suP] ibid
  7. ^ Exodus 16:14
  8. ^ Numbers 11:9
  9. ^ Exodus 16:14
  10. ^ Exodus 16:21
  11. ^ [suP]a[/suP] [suP]b[/suP] Exodus 16:31
  12. ^ Numbers 11:7
  13. ^ Numbers 11:8
  14. ^ [suP]a[/suP] [suP]b[/suP] Exodus 16:20
  15. ^ [suP]a[/suP] [suP]b[/suP] Exodus 16:24
  16. ^ Peake's Commentary on the Bible
  17. ^ Jewish Encyclopedia, Book of Exodus; Jewish Encyclopedia, Book of Numbers
  18. ^ Yoma 75b
  19. ^ George Ebers, Durch Gosen zum Sinai, p. 236
  20. ^ Cheyne and Black, Encyclopedia Biblica
  21. ^ [suP]a[/suP] [suP]b[/suP] [suP]c[/suP] [suP]d[/suP] [suP]e[/suP] [suP]f[/suP] [suP]g[/suP] [suP]h[/suP] [suP]i[/suP] [suP]j[/suP] Peake's commentary on the Bible
  22. ^ [suP]a[/suP] [suP]b[/suP] [suP]c[/suP] [suP]d[/suP] Cheyne and Black, Encyclopedia Biblica
  23. ^ Exodus 16:15
  24. ^ [suP]a[/suP] [suP]b[/suP] [suP]c[/suP] [4]
  25. ^ Terence McKenna, Food of the Gods, (New York, Harper Collins) p. 84.
  26. ^ Pancakes or Locusts
  27. ^ Alhagi mannifera
  28. ^ Pirkei Avot 5:9
  29. ^ Mekhilta, Beshalah, Wayassa, 3
  30. ^ Sifre (on Numbers) 87-89
  31. ^ Sifre (on Numbers) 87-89
  32. ^ Jean Soler, The Semiotics of Food in the Bible
  33. ^ Numbers 11:4-11:35
  34. ^ Exodus 16:16
  35. ^ Exodus 16:17-18
  36. ^ Tanhuma, Beshalah 22
  37. ^ [suP]a[/suP] [suP]b[/suP] [suP]c[/suP] Yoma 75a
  38. ^ Midrash Abkir (on Exodus) 258
  39. ^ [suP]a[/suP] [suP]b[/suP] Midrash Tanhuma
  40. ^ Yoma 76a
  41. ^ Exodus 16:5
  42. ^ Exodus 16:22
  43. ^ Exodus 16:26-27
  44. ^ [suP]a[/suP] [suP]b[/suP] Exodus 16:23
  45. ^ Exodus 16:27-29
  46. ^ Exodus 16:30
  47. ^ [suP]a[/suP] [suP]b[/suP] [suP]c[/suP] [suP]d[/suP] Jewish Encyclopedia, Book of Exodus
  48. ^ [suP]a[/suP] [suP]b[/suP] Exodus 16:35
  49. ^ Joshua 5:12
  50. ^ Jewish Encyclopedia, manna
  51. ^ Exodus 16:34
  52. ^ Exodus 16:32-33
  53. ^ Hebrews 9:4
  54. ^ Rushforth, K. (1999). Trees of Britain and Europe. Collins ISBN 0-00-220013-9.
  55. ^ Mrs M Grieve. "Ash, Manna". Botanical.com, A Modern Herbal. http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/a/ashmn075.html.
  56. ^ [suP]a[/suP] [suP]b[/suP] "Manna". Time. 29 August 1927. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,723060,00.html.
  57. ^ "Devotion and Use of the Manna of Saint Nicholas". St Nicholas Center. http://www.stnicholascenter.org/Brix?pageID=42.
  58. ^ Rory Carroll (2000-12-22). "Bones of contention". The Guardian. http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,414584,00.html.
  59. ^ Richard Girling (2004-12-12). "Talking Point: Now do you believe in Santa Claus?". The
 

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This is the problem as I see it. :dude:

whoops, lost track of the pics. So....here's an Aeronca 7 AC I think.

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Wellllll Alrighty then.

Time for bed the Ambien CR is kicking in big time......snzzzzzzzz z zzzzzzz z zzz

cpap.

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Hobie...are you sure it's just Ambien???
 

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Frankly, I'd had a long day and was a little loopy. Oh well, just mindless babbling. I'll persevere to restrain that behaviour in the future.:waving:
 

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Hobie1 wrote:
Frankly, I'd had a long day and was a little loopy. Oh well, just mindless babbling. I'll persevere to restrain that behaviour in the future.:waving:
And the problem is..........:baffled:

I thought it was funny!!! :D
 

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Oh, I never said it wasn't funny...just thought maybe there was more than Ambien involved is all. ;)
 

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Must be Mike!!! :cheeky1::cheeky1:
 

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Oh relax:D. I read what I posted last night and I even thought: WTH?

I just was off in my own lil' world and lost my mind a lil' bit........:dude:

You folks are my friends. I have a great time here and you haven't seen the last of me yet!!:cooldevil:

Have a great evening:waving:I'm going in to the living room and read a good book. Or sleep.....whatevah.

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Hobie, I think you miss understood me..........I loved it!! :cooldevil:

Can I have some of what your having???? It must of been good!!! :cheeky1::cheeky1::cheeky1::cheeky1:
 

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I too was only poking a little fun. I apologize if you misunderstood me. :)
 

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This is the problem with some posts. You just can't a feel for the tone of the post sometiimes. I never was offended just a little embarrassed by my loss of direction for a moment. :banana::blushing:

Anyway, onward and upward. Tomorrow it might hit 50 and I'm going to try to get the bike out just for a little spin, I hope.

Have a good one my friends!:waving:

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And I was just going to post,

"and here is where I saw more than I needed to know about mana"

and then, there came that photo of a nice little 7AC :)

That saved the day :cheeky1:
 
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