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I am selling my GL1500. A potential buyer has sent me some emails. I can't figure out how it could be a scam, but it has my "scam alert" sense on high. The same day I put the ad on Craigslist, I got an email response. English was broken, but asking only if the bike was still for sale. Text of the email is:

"hello, i just view your AD hope it is still up for purchase."


I responded that it was for sale; I had only placed the ad that same day. I got a response email back that read like this:

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Hello,
Thanks for the prompt response.. I am ready to buy it as a surprise which i dont want anybody to know about and i am not in town at the moment because i work with the Military and have been in camp for some time and due to the nature of my work, It's hard to make a phone calls and visiting of website are restricted but I squeezed out time to check this advert and send you an email regarding it. I insisted on PayPal because i don't have access to my bank account online as i don't have internet banking, but i can pay from my PayPal account, as i have my bank a/c attached to it, i will need you to give me your PayPal email address so i can make the payment asap for it and please if you don't have PayPal account yet,it is very easy to set up, go to www.paypal.com and get it set up,after you have set it up i will only need the e-mail address to make the payment or send me an invoice.please do send me some pics as well.... I have some questions for you;
Are you the first owner of it? where do you live? When have you been using it? How much will you be taking off your price for me?
Hope to read back from you soon....."



Some suspect things: we had never talked about payment or form of payment and he's never seen the bike itself. The craigslist ad showed where the bike was. The english is broken. The military thing sounds very much like the scams where someone is "selling" a goldwing for a ridiculously low price and trying to get someone to send money. But I don't know how someone can scam when they are BUYING a bike.

Am I too paranoid? Can they figure out how to crack paypal and withdraw FROM my paypal account? Anyone been through this before? Is this just an attempt to get me to click on the "paypal" link (perhaps that's bogus?!?)
 

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That's just Babu. He tries to buy all of our bikes.

Delete it and move on...
 

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Your Scam alert sense is working fine,

Like CM85 said,

That's just Babu. He tries to buy all of our bikes (and anything else posted for sale.)

Delete it and move on...

Good luck with the selling of the bike!
 

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Yep, he checks out the classified up here too...........I offered him a deal last summer, guess it wasn't good enough :?
 

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"No money, no smokey."
 

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Yea, I received one of these too. The guy was in the military, overseas, fighting in the war, wanted all my info, already arranged for pickup of the "item," wouldn't be able to come look at the "item" blah, blah, blah.

Funny thing is, I was selling 95 tons of hay in round bales.

Maybe he wanted to feed the camels.
 

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CaptainMidnight85 wrote:
That's just Babu. He tries to buy all of our bikes.

Delete it and move on...
Ok. it's a scam - but what is this guy trying to do? did he ask to collect the bike before the money was safe in your patpal account?

in that case - I would send him -you-know where..but if the money is transffered?, what's the problem?if he just asked for your paypal adress - does he have a way to get into your account and steal from you?

anyway , itis alwaysimportant to learn about possible scams and how to avoid them.



have a nice weekend!

from sunny (yeah..66 deg..:waving:)Haifa

Saul
 

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s_lapid wrote:
CaptainMidnight85 wrote:
have a nice weekend!

from sunny (yeah..66 deg..:waving:)Haifa

Saul
No offence meant Saul. We get saturated with the stuff over here daily. :waving:
 

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I get quite a few of those in response to CL or Kijiji ads. They are so lazy they just say is your item still for sale. I had a ad looking for a 21", 6 groove B-Belt pulley. The guy sent me a email saying he had one for me. Upon further questioning he had no idea what I was looking for but still wanted my Paypal information.

Most of the Goldwings for sale are in Montana and the person is in the Military and posted overseas.

Keep your spidy senses alive and working, there are lots of them out there.


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I see these more and more everyday...Yet heres whats funny, you make a nasty comment about some political office holderr, and next day if not that day, the men in black are beating your door in....Hollering FREEZE!!!!!!....Hackers and scamers aretwo of my least favorite people in this world!!!!....When will ever end??? I'm afraid not in my life time...Good catch....
 

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Your hackles are correct. If someone responds to your ad and doesn't ask questions about the thing they say they want to buy..................... wel. just DELETE them. That's what I do.
 

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There are a few different scams they can run from this.

1st he gets your paypal account name - then he attempts to crack your password. Maybe he gets lucky maybe not.

2nd he sends you the money but ooops he added incorrectly and sent you $750 (or whatever amount) to much (say it was a $2000 transaction but he sent $2750) - would you pleas refund the difference - the scam comes when paypal freezes your account because he used a paypal account that he had cracked. So you refunded the $750 from money that Paypal is going to seize from you - you end up with Paypal taking back the $2750 and an additional loss of $750 that you had already refunded.

3rd again using a stolen paypal account he pays you - has a shipping company pick up the goods and a little later paypal seizes the money to return it the rightful owner. Now you are out the money and the product.

4th the link he sent you doesn't actually go to paypal but to a fake website that looks like paypal. You click on the link and enter in your user id and password. The fake site then passes you on to the real paypal - but it's to late you already gave up your user id and password and the scammer is withdrawing your money.

Those are the most common buyer scams - I work in the computer security world and you would not believe how easy it is to get someone to fall for these types of scams. They wouldn't bother doing it if it wasn't profitable for them.

Oh and you already fell for the biggest part of this scam.(don't feel bad 90% of people do it) You responded to him. He now has your email address and will add it to a list. This list will get sold to other scammers and your "junk" (spam) email count will go up. You will see a rise in emails telling you they have cheap viagra for sale. You will see a rise in Nigerian emails (someone needs your help to get their money out of another country) that type of thing.

Number one rule when selling anything online - do it face to face and deal in cash - unless you are using a reliable resale site with protections built in (i.e ebay etc.)

Good job in spotting that it was a scam and not falling further for it. They estimate that fraud is a 4 billion a year industry in the US alone.
 

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Thanks Ty. I was reading all of the responses thinking, isn't anyone going to answer his question as to how it could be a scam? I think many know it's a scam, but just don't know how it could be. You've have given a great outline that will help many if they look at it. As you know I do systems security for my company too, but because we are a small company I wear many other hats too, so I am nowhere near the expert you are on the subject. I could easily spend all of my working time just on security, but that's not doable in my position.

Thanks again for your post!
John
 
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