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https://www.cnet.com/news/yahoo-aol-oath-privacy-policy-verizon-emails-messages/


April 13, 2018 6:00 PM PDT


This is Kinda Old but worth reviewing .



Yahoo and AOL just gave themselves the right to read your emails (again)

Though Yahoo was already scanning its users' emails to maximize ad opportunities, doubling-down on the policy could raise eyebrows in a post-Cambridge Analytica world.

Oath, the media division of Verizon that runs both AOL and Yahoo, is finally unifying the privacy policy of its two giant legacy Internet brands. That means an updated set of privacy terms and policies for hundreds of millions of users. And in an online world where privacy expectations have been radically reshaped in light of Facebook's Cambridge Analytica mess, it's more important than ever to read the fine print on those splash screens.

When we logged in to a Yahoo Mail account Friday, we were greeted with the privacy policy you see below (Jason Kint had pointed to the policy earlier on Twitter). In it, Oath notes that it has the right to read your emails, instant messages, posts, photos and even look at your message attachments. And it might share that data with parent company Verizon, too.
 

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Nothing is sacred any more, I've been thinking about getting a Proton mail free account. It's like the neighbor with the ChromeBook, he was told it doesn't get virus/malware by the tech who worked on it, but on the other hand it has the biggest snoop combing through your stuff.
 

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Nothing is sacred any more, It's like the neighbor with the ChromeBook, he was told it doesn't get virus/malware by the tech who worked on it, but on the other hand it has the biggest snoop combing through your stuff.
There are many things he could do to overcome that. Starting with a full time VPN, using DuckDuckGo for searches and a browser that didn't come from the data harvesters.
Of course you can't overcome stupid and most people have no idea or interest in being wise internet users. Linux is not a panacea but it's a long way in the right direction.

These days, anyone not using a VPN doesn't give a poop about data and usage harvesting. Yet.
 

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Nothing is sacred any more, I've been thinking about getting a Proton mail free account. It's like the neighbor with the ChromeBook, he was told it doesn't get virus/malware by the tech who worked on it, but on the other hand it has the biggest snoop combing through your stuff.
Trikelady
Ask your neighbor if you can do some OSINT on him.
OSINT will wake up the masses. Then if enough masses wake up maybe congress do something about it. But then the alphabet agencies cry the internet went dark.
 

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I am leaning more towards Startmail. Rather than Proton Mail.
I also prefer Startpage rather than Duck Duck Go.


In Short the Policy of the EU and Country that Startpage is, is the most strictest on privacy that I know of to date.


Unfortunately Security and Privacy can be a never ending Cat and Mouse game.


Below I dug up an article (1 of many on this ).


Post Snowden , there is a reason the Feds went after this Lava-bit guy
They could not defeat it. Snowden (like him or not ) outsmarted the Alphabet gang.
Here is where stories often get into the bleeding hearts of the media viewers (us, you)
there is a magnificent spin on things. Snowden had already landed by this time.
The Feds Probably already talked with the Guardian regarding the Data Breach.
They then would have realized that Snowden no longer had any copies of the data and left it into the hands of the Freedom of Speech or Fifth Estate. To release in the most responsible way.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/03/lavabit-ladar-levison-fbi-encryption-keys-snowden


Side Note :


One time some data was leaked to Wiki Leaks , then Wiki Leaks got hacked , so the data was on the loose. Julian Asange called the State Department
to Alert Hillary Clinton . He had to Jump through Hoops. Finally they got back to him and it was too late. He wanted to give them a heads up, so they could do proper Press Release Damage Control.
It was not important to the State Department.






The other side of the coin, begs to ask can we really trust the CA ( certificate authority, such as digi cert). I do not recall any media reports regarding the feds wanting say Digi Cert Keys.
They really wanted Lava-bit Keys for sure. This guy did not make this program for illegal purposes, he could not envision Snowden would use his service. Yet his invention was going to be compromised because the Feds can not figure out how to keep a secrete. The Lava bit inventor was in a Capitalist Society , the same Capitalist Society the Government wants everyone to believe is the best.
So this guys pot of gold at the end of the Rainbow, would be defeated if he gave in to the Feds.


And if you recall, in 2017 the CIA too, could not keep a secrete, all their favorite Hacking tools
were turned loose.


Look at Micahel Cohen , one of Trumps Lawyers . They had nothing on him , the NSA plumped his name into the NSA Database and they went and grabbed him. Turns out
NSA was wrong he did not go( over seas) to PROG, it was another Mike Cohen. So then to Save Face , they got him for Tax Evasion and Lieing to Congress.
Did Hillary get any Trial or Penalty for Lieing to Congress ???


( For those that do not know , CA are the holder of the keys when your browser for example talks to your bank. To me this means a third party we must trust).


When you couple what we have learned about possible Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook etc.
if nothing else appearing to work with the Feds. I am not convinced that the whole CA (american - certificate authority) can be trusted.


Google Scholar is a cool tool , you can read parts of many Lawsuits



The Klapper Case
Amnesty International

Mark Klein ( the former At&t network guy that discovered the NSA left the plans on his workbench re-guarding how At&t was mirroring all the data going in and out of at&t servers. In San Francisco Ca
 

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Just Read this on proton mail website



https://protonmail.com/blog/google-privacy-problem/
Short Version of this below



The real purpose of Gmail

Google’s business model is primarily based on online advertising. The company earned over $95 billion last year selling the personal information of its users to advertisers.
For an advertiser, your emails are a gold mine because we often think of email as a private communication channel. When your bank contacts you or you address an email to your loved one, these seem like two-party conversations. In reality, Google treats your Gmail mailbox as company property, scanning them with powerful software to better understand you.
Founded in 2004, the service now has 1.4 billion users creating a perfect record of their thoughts, behaviors, and interactions. As Google CEO Eric Schmidt said in 2010, “We know where you are. We know where you’ve been.We can more or less know what you’re thinking about.
After years of lawsuits and waves of criticism, Gmail finally announced last year it would stop scanning users’ inboxes for advertising purposes. What they did not mention, however, was that they would continue allow other companies to do just that.
Third-party data mining in Gmail

Since 2014, Gmail has given third-party developers access to the platform’s API, which allows them to build software that can be used within the platform. These add-ons are usually productivity tools, such as task managers or document signing apps. When users install them, they grant these apps permission to read their emails.


By scanning your emails, companies can learn information about your email habits, the things you buy, how much you spend, and who you are. Typically this information is anonymized but not always. According to the Wall Street Journal, the add-on developers sometimes shared redacted screenshots of entire emails. In one instance, two engineers read through 8,000 personal emails in order to calibrate their algorithms. The users were never informed about this.
These activities are extremely similar to those that led to the recent Facebook-Cambridge Analytica scandal. When the abusive practices of Facebook’s third-party app developers came to light, the fallout included a #DeleteFacebook hashtag and a congressional inquiry into Facebook’s privacy practices. Though Google has so far avoided intense controversy, its surveillance operations are far greater than Facebook’s.
Privacy is necessary for democracy

This is not just about strangers having access to your love letters, intimate photos and online purchases. It’s also about the kind of society we want to live in. Gmail is designed for mass surveillance, and such a powerful tool could be easily misused. The intelligence software Google is developing could someday be turned against us in ways we cannot predict. The Facebook scandal has already given us a glimpse of this power, which can even be used by malicious actors to undermine democracy. Imagine if Cambridge Analytica had access to your inbox.
 

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I am using gmail as my bank contact email to report my daily transactions,
guess I better switch that to Proton



just finished doing that, and since it a major PITA to log into proton mail,
i turned on SMS Text alerts to let me know if something goes thru and I can't get to my computer.


Installed the smartphone app on the cellphone, it is easy to use, once installed. so, I can check my bank transactions easily once again.
 

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I'll have to switch everything that's not important to Yahoo, shut down gmail and send banking to Proton.

I do NOT want my bills sent to me via snail mail, to IFFY that they will arrive, and the delay is something I can't deal with. and bank statements at the end of the month? I am doing good to remember what I spent today, much less 30 days from now.


switching the bank to Proton Mail is working just fine, I turned off the Alert Sound so that I can sleep thru the night..... 2 transactions occurred over the night, one just 4 minutes before I woke up...... which must be why I am awake now? it went BONG!


changed that to Silent: I always look at my phone to see what SMS came thru anyway, don't need it going BONG in the night.


all of my normal mail is going to Yahoo, and a lot goes thru gmail which I will leave alone.... don't care if google thinks my sex life is dull >:)
 

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The underline message is Android as well. ( install an app for android , typically must be done from google app store) .



I have my phone locked down best I can . No google access anymore, no play store or anything.
If I need it I turn it on ( briefly like for google maps or gps etc).



My battery lasts for days too now.
 

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Oh Jon Yahoo is as Bad , but I know what you meant.



I too been wanting to switch mail companies, get vpn etc

But I been trying to figure out how to do it without anyone knowing it is me purchasing it.
The mail company I want to use is paid version and do not accept pre paid visa.

I want to get that program on phone, Rudy mentioned, but prefer not to have the payment tracked back to me.
 

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proton mail is vpn and free, use that.


Opera now, has an automatic VPN as part of their browser, use that to connect to whatever email server you want to use, like Proton mail, which is encrypted from you to their server.
and to the end user if they also use Proton mail.
 

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I have to open the can of worms here, Who Cares?

Every email provider has the ability to open and view your emails, proton included. Your hosting YOUR information on THEIR servers for FREE, Unless your a communist you should expect to pay in some fashion for the service. If you dont like ads pay for google business. Where you have full ability to opt out of any information harvesting (Hipaa Version).

There is another side to the coin, without any metrics to gauge your interests we would all just see Erectile Dysfunction and hot singles near you! ads.

Everyone reads these polices like some bad guy is reading all your personal emails and stealing from you, (Or McGee From NCIS) nothing could be farther from the truth. Google Ads is a public platform you can use to promote your business. You select keywords and phrases that you want to trigger your ad to show for. Google uses a filter to search for the keywords and phrases in your online life. Its called market research and its how you get the things you want.

Two Important Points to remember:
No one cares about you or your activities, Honda wants you to see a gold wing ad when you send an email to Harley Customer Complaint department.
If you want your emails to be private, dont send them. Because you dont know the policies of the server your sending your email to or through.

3rd point, run your own mail servers and dont rely on any third party services.
 
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