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we have been having a LOT of problems with ants invading our home.
all over the place.

the OTC sprays work for 30 minutes....

so, I called a couple of guys and had one of them come over.
as luck would have it, had to take Mardonna to the doctor and then he came.

He talked with our daughter, she didn't want the spray in the house because of our allergies and the dogs/cat.

so, he walked around the house in about 2 minutes and left....
she walked out immediately and nothing is wet, no residual spray period...

Tried to call him back, and he won't answer his phone.

I will never call another scam artist again.... bunch of crooks.

I know how far spray can go, I put down 2-4d every year for weeds, and that is a very light spray, even so, you can see it wet the grass and ground.
 

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About 15 years ago, I had a 2 flat building and both tenants that bred Clydesdale roaches. Huge hairylooking brown and they'd cover a wall if you left a light off for a few minutes. They probably drank bad beer starting with the letter B and pulled a wagon, hence I called them Clydesdale roaches. Real bad and disgusting. Yeah the roaches were real bad too.

Anyway paying exterminators 100 bucks a month was outrageous for the little rent that I got from both tenants. But I had to do it, because like you said, the otc stuff was not effective for very long periods, and while the otc roach killer did seem to thin them out a little it was just for a week or so. So I signed up with an exterminator that I understood to be trustworthy.

Seemed like the exterminator only did corners and under the sink after the first month (the first spraying was very thorough). The guy came back every month, and charged 50 bucks a visit per unit but he was out of the building in 15 minutes. So that's 100 bucks for 15 minutes. Did that for over a year and then I stopped. Bugs came back within 2 months of stopping the service.

I was going to do the service again, but I happened across a tiny exterminator supply store in a bad part of Chicago. I walked in and there were bars on the windows and door, probably what jail would look like from the inside. Anyway, I bought some concentrate roach killer from the gentleman. Cash and carry. 35 bucks for a concentrate gallon and no tax and no receipt. He even told me the ratio to mix it. Thinking back on it, the guy probably put the money in his pocket as soon as I left. Didn't ask me for ID or license or anything. Anyway it came in a jug that had it's own measuring 'cup' molded on the side. Tilt it and fill the cup and then pour that in the spray cannister and dilute with water.
Stuff worked great, I saved quite a bit of money by doing it myself. Went through that first container in one year and sold the building. Went back to the store many years later to buy another concentrate bottle but his prices had gone up so i bought a smaller jug, but same thing: Cash and carry and no ID. I think I still have a little bit left.

If you want to really treat your property so ants don't come back for a couple years, you'd need to trench around the building a foot deep and then pour a moat of chemical/water and let it soak into the soil. That's how I treated my current house for ants and termites. Didn't have termites but had flying ants that loved to congregate at odd hours of the night in our bathroom sink. The method I did for ants might not be okay if you have pets though. I came across the ant method on youtube.
 

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Well,
I got pissed and finally thought google should be able to find what I want, so I changed my search terms...

"Commercial ant control products"

and boom, up comes this company, I bought this product here.
only 1 gallon, but it should last me for a couple of years...

http://www.pestcontrolproducts.pro/index.cfm?ref=80200&ref2=111

same damn stuff the pest guy used, but he was way too frugal, he walked by the house in 5 minutes and left.... no way in hell did he treat us fairly... I bet he didn't put down 2 quarts of spray..... which cost him almost 1/2 oz of product....

that quart will give me 96 gallons at 1 oz/gallon

Once that stuff arrives, I am going to treat the whole damn yard, not just the perimeter of the house.....

read the label on their product, it is for every kind of critter you can think of that crawls on the ground.

it is approved for use in Kitchens, hospitals, etc.....
 

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If you want to really treat your property so ants don't come back for a couple years, you'd need to trench around the building a foot deep and then pour a moat of chemical/water and let it soak into the soil. That's how I treated my current house for ants and termites. Didn't have termites but had flying ants that loved to congregate at odd hours of the night in our bathroom sink. The method I did for ants might not be okay if you have pets though. I came across the ant method on youtube.

I read just about all of that literature, and I noted that for Termites in new construction, they want you to soak the soil at 4 ft depth really hard... and for retreatment, go down like you did and soak it again....

For right now, I am just going to flood the ground for about 18 inches around the house and let it soak in.... that should slow the critters down.

plus, I am going to spray all of the yard out to the cyclone fence....

do you see any reason that I can't use my little Ryobi high pressure sprayer? set it for low flow, put the product in the soap dispenser.... and just put down the full 1 gallon of mix with the garden hose supplying the sprayer.
 

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I've never used a high pressure sprayer for mixing other using than my electric 1750 pressure washer and mine doesn't do a good job at even mixing I've noticed. It disperses pretty slow and the jug doesn't seem to go empty often. so I don't know.

I bought a cheap pump sprayer for 20 bucks from Harbor Freight or Menards (can't remember) to kill bugs and plan on using it to treat my fence before the weather turns.

But I have used a small lawn fertilizer feeder cup that I fill with Spectracide small insect killer(buy it by the gallon, it's cheaper) and attached to a garden hose to kill mosquitos a few days before backyard gatherings though. Seems like it works for what I needed it for. I'd use that before I use my pressure washer, it's easier to use than the washer and it empties the jug pretty quick and has a control on top. I don't know how it would last for ants though, worth a shot.

You know that you can get small jugs of spectracide that have a hose attachment? That's how I got the idea to use a fertilizer feeder cup.
 

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Pick up some Boric Acid (Roach Pruf) and sprinkle it around the path that the ants use and anywhere that they can enter the house. It is basically non toxic to humans, when used as directed. The powder sticks to the ants and they then take it back to the nest.
 

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Boric Acid (Roach Pruf)

I have that scattered all over the house, it helps, but it does not prevent new explorers finding us...

there is still a trail of them running across the front of the garage door from north to south, and then they disappear into a crack of the foundation...

when I get the stuff I ordered, going to really soak the known areas hard.... that jerk who came here, just walked around once and never stopped walking.... no way in hell can you do a good job like that. not even when spraying weeds.
 

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I use Permethrin I buy it by the quart mix 1 1/2 oz per gallon and it works wonders.
But it does not discriminate it kills spiders roachs ants etc. But also bees so I try to keep it right around the house only. It says it is pet friendly but our dogs don't lay around the outside of the house. One spray in the spring seems to last all summer. https://www.amazon.com/CONTROL-SOLUTIONS-82004505-TERMITE-Permethrin/dp/B0088Y7PJY/ref=sr_1_12?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1471475750&sr=1-12&keywords=Permethrin
 

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Permethrin

Seems to be very similar to the name of what I bought, all of them have "methrin" in their names.

it says 0.5 to 1.0 oz per gallon.

well, for weed control, I have found that you must double the recommended doses or the weeds don't die like they should.

So, I will be mixing it at 2.0 oz/gallon of spray and I don't want to see any more crawly critters here at all.

there is a honey bee hive set up south of me a bit, I hope I don't get any of those... but, we don't have any flowers for them to be drawn to anyway... we rarely see bees...

lots of the other critters, mosquitos for sure... I plan to spray the whole inside yard....

today, out in the shop, while rummaging to see what is is old boxes, I found a new bag of insectide, a 40 lb bag!!! I think I will use that on the grassy areas and if it don't rain in a day or two, take the water hose out and sprinkle it down.
 

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Not sure if this is helpful at all.....

Every three months during the warmer months I spread a whole bag of Bugs be Gone or similar stuff over the back yard. It seems to work as our dogs have had no fleas or ticks and I don't see any signs of ants.
 

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I have used that once before and wondered if it would be adequate...
the downside is the quantity/price required to cover our fenced in yard.

I bought a $38/quart of concentrate that will make up 96 gallons of spray. If I do it right, it will take about 3 gallons for each application. I agree that 3 months is probably the duty cycle of any product for this kind of thing.

so, that works out at about $1 buck for each application. That Pest control guy charged me $100 bux. No profit in that business, is there?

and, if it rains hard, it is all washed away. but, having the product on hand, makes it easy to respray if the WxMan gives me the "go ahead" :)
 

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Not sure if this is helpful at all.....

Every three months during the warmer months I spread a whole bag of Bugs be Gone or similar stuff over the back yard. It seems to work as our dogs have had no fleas or ticks and I don't see any signs of ants.

when I read the list of insects that stuff that I bought controls, I got the distinct idea that there isn't a special one for each breed of critter. if it kills one, it kills the others too.

so, your lack of ants just follows in with the scheme of things.


Reading on down the page of the brands, there are a lot of names, and it seems they all have the same general control insecticide...
 

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Google "diatomaceous earth". Once a bug of ANY kind crawls through that, they DIE. I bought a box of it (around 10 or 15 lbs) many years ago when I lived in Floriduh. Still have most of it left.
I bought the kind that you can even EAT. They claim it will kill worms in humans and animals?!?!?! No thanks.
It's cheap and safe, just DO NOT get it in your eyes, and try to avoid breathing it. There are no poisons involved.
 

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I've been a beekeeper for over 10 years. I'll let you in on my little secret on how to get rid of wasps, yellowjackets, carpenter bees and honey bees. It's not expensive AND it's on the shelf at your local grocery store!

The secret here is that bugs like the above mentioned do not have noses like you and I. These little buggers breathe along the sides of their thorax or abdomen. There's a line of holes down each side. So the easiest way to get rid of these wee beasties is to DROWN them. And the easiest way to do that is with liquid dishwashing soap. Now you can do like my wife does and buy the good stuff (Dawn) or you can buy the cheap stuff (generic), it really doesn't matter. Take your 1 gallon garden sprayer (we all have one of those) and pour 1 cup of liquid soap into it and fill with water. Then proceed to spray the cr*p out of the nest or offending individual.

The solution lowers the surface tension of the water and the water flows much much easier and drowns the wee beasties. It also really screws with their ability to dive bomb you. BUT a word of caution...once you start this process you will certainly in no uncertain terms "stir up a hornets nest". So if you have a small nest I would say attack with fervor during the daylight. If the nest is 3-4 stories high (or a common yellowjacket nest like we have here in Oklahoma), wait until night time and douse the thing until it's completely soaked. They won't dry off and fly away, they will die almost instantly. And since your doing it at night they won't be able to see very clearly. Also the soap contains no harsh chemicals that will poison the area.

And then there's this way: http://www.wikihow.com/Kill-Ants

I learned this from an older beekeeper who used it when he would remove honey bees from a house. He'd always leave a honey trap behind for the ones that weren't there when he cleaned the hive out and come back the next day and spray them down.
 

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"diatomaceous earth"
we have a 40 lb bag of that, about 2/3rds gone right now.
it has been raining and makes it not so good....
but, now that it is dry, we will spread that out also.


detergent and water and a sprayer ??
hmmmm, I have high pressure sprayer that I can open up the nozzle and get a lower pressure, and it has a soap tank on it for washing the driveway..... and a 100 ft hose to feed it :rofl:

I can really soak things down good with that. .....
 

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I have learned that Formula 409 kills spiders instantly. Much faster than commercially sold bug poison. When I encounter any arachnid in the kitchen or bathroom, that's my go to bug spray. It's always under the counter and doesn't spread a poison around the dishes, toothbrushes and such.
 

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Permethrin

Seems to be very similar to the name of what I bought, all of them have "methrin" in their names.

it says 0.5 to 1.0 oz per gallon.

well, for weed control, I have found that you must double the recommended doses or the weeds don't die like they should.

So, I will be mixing it at 2.0 oz/gallon of spray and I don't want to see any more crawly critters here at all.

there is a honey bee hive set up south of me a bit, I hope I don't get any of those... but, we don't have any flowers for them to be drawn to anyway... we rarely see bees...

lots of the other critters, mosquitos for sure... I plan to spray the whole inside yard....

today, out in the shop, while rummaging to see what is is old boxes, I found a new bag of insectide, a 40 lb bag!!! I think I will use that on the grassy areas and if it don't rain in a day or two, take the water hose out and sprinkle it down.

I learned something the other day. when spraying for Mosquitos, you need to spray the trees and bushes with leaves on them. That is where they hang out. I started doing this and dramatically reduced those blood suckers in my yard.
 
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