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The problem with the E-3 was they made the bike feel much heavier than it really was. I felt it both on a 1200 and a 1500. The bike just wouldn't go anywhere without some serious work. I had the same experience with Metzlers.

Normally, with decent tires, any 'Wing I've ridden reads your mind and goes where you look, with no fuss or effort.
 

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As I said they were on the bike when I bought it and it is the only 1500 I ever rode so I wouldn't know the difference between it and any other tire
 

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I am putting on a rear E4 today after it warms up a bit.


I will go take a ride around the block and report back how it feels to me....


the front already has an Avon Roadrider in it, a rear tire mounted backwards as per Dave's recommendation.
 

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Normally, with decent tires, any 'Wing I've ridden reads your mind and goes where you look, with no fuss or effort.
I came into this liking the idea of whitewalls on my beautiful Standard, after having one good short-term experience with Shinko on a much different bike. This statement, coming from Dennis who has likely ridden 10x the miles I have on GLs, is the most convincing argument I have read here.

Thank you, Dennis! Would you purchase another set of Pirelli 66, if cost was not a consideration? Or would you go Michelin Commander or another brand?

I do really like the tread pattern of the Pirelli's front and back. Thanks, JD
 

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I'm on my third set of Pirellis.

I haven't ridden on the Michelins but Last time I changed tires I looked at several brands and ended up with the M66s again.

One thing that I really like about them is they don't develop the head shake most other brands do when they get some miles on them.
 

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Pirelli M66

So, yesterday I purchased a set of the Pirelli MT66 tires from Revzilla for $185 shipped. I decided to forego whitewalls on the Shinko 777 and go with the advice from Dennis. I'll take handling over looks any day and Dennis has given me good advise on a half dozen repairs over the last few years.

Tires will arrive here on Tuesday. I have the tire tools and now that I've done three sets on other bikes, I'll change the rubber. I've used dynabeads on my other bikes with good results. I ordered a bulk pack of Counteract beads this time.

Thanks again Dennis. I will write an update after my install and a few rides. It may take awhile, as they are predicting a few inches of snow tonight, up here on the mountain! Thanks to all! JD
 

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When you install them, it may be wise to sand off the little nipples on the sealing surface and maybe even use a sealer on the bead. Both Frank and I have had trouble keeping air in the last sets we've installed.

Didn't have issues previously, when installed by a shop, so maybe it was just me. However, after remounting and using the above precaution they haven't lost an ounce of air.
 

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When you install them, it may be wise to sand off the little nipples on the sealing surface and maybe even use a sealer on the bead. Both Frank and I have had trouble keeping air in the last sets we've installed.
I just order some Slime Bead Sealer on Amazon! Thanks, JD
 

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Bead Sealer

Won't that mess up your balance beads?
It's just bead sealer. Slime is the brand name, but it's not the slime that goes inside the tire. I have the green slime in my bicycle tires so the "Goats Heads" don't puncture the tire (although I've gotten too old to peddle a bike up at this elevation - I need 1200 power). I just went with "Slime" brand, since it was $16 on Amazon Prime, with almost 5 stars, and other brands I never heard of wanted $25 or more. Yeah, you do not want your beads "slimed!"
 

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It took some time, but love the Pirelli MT66 tires!

So it's been 3 months, but thought I would follow-up...

I ordered a set of Pirelli MT66 tires back in Feb. They came with Jan 2018 date codes, and all scuffed up, so I returned them. Waited a month or so to reorder. Paid $180 for the pair shipped from Revzilla; best price I could find. The second set had late 2018 date codes.

Then being my usual self; making a simple job much harder, I combined installing the front tire with cleaning the front forks with new oil. BTW, the 6 lb. front fork air pressure is highly recommended on Progressive springs too, IMHO. Too much dive without it. So the front took me a week.

Then it was time for the rear tire and noticed the maintenance schedule for the drive shaft splines, so why not do that too? When I removed the shaft, I found what the Service Manual calls the "damper spring" to be missing. Fortunately, there was no damage to the spline ends. BTW, instead of Honda Moly 45 or 77 or whatever they call it today, I ended up using a Yamaha part instead (pic). You can get this LARGE tube for the price of 2.5 OZ Honda lube.

Just had to wait another week for a Western Honda order. When I had the propeller shaft out, then I noted where a squeak was coming from, that I had heard for awhile. The swing-arm bushings were dry. So now, I had to pull the exhaust system, then the swing-arm. That lock (castle) nut caused me to make a tool. BTW, a socket tool is enough (pic). I went and bought a made-in-china socket, instead of wrecking one of my made in the USA tools. Also, the china-crap steel cuts easier! The 1 3/16" socket OD is just under 40mm for a perfect fit.

I torqued the pivot-bolt to 14 lbs as per the manual, and marked position with a Sharpie. Then I was able to torque the lock nut to 72 lb+ and the pivot bolt stayed where it was, np.

Anyway, a simple tire change created complete service for both front and rear suspension and I'm finally on the road again. I've only had time to ride about 100 miles so far, but I will tell you that Dennis' suggestion for this brand of tires is right-on!

The balance and traction is far better than other GL1200 tires I have tried; both Metzeler ME 880 and Dunlop Elite 3 tires. Very smooth on the highway and I can lean much better on the great profile of these tires. Mileage is not important to me, so I'm sold already and for only $180 a set!!! Thanks again, Dennis:smile2:
 

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Glad the tires are working for you. Are they holding air okay? That's the only trouble I've ever had with them.
Yes, air holding now for weeks at same PSI. I used bead sealer after cleaning the beads thoroughly with a steel brush. The day I mounted them, I set pressure to tire max and they lost 2 PSI in the first 24 hours. Then I set them to riding pressure and they sat exactly there for another 2 days prior to mounting. I had the time while building the suspension, and per your warning, wanted to be sure of no leaks prior to mounting.

I strongly suggest the detailed cleaning and use bead sealer, prior to mounting (instructions state after mounting, for car tires) and then mount carefully.
 
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