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Steve, get yourself to a super market car park, and practice those u turns, flintstoning does`nt look goodmate, :shock:I`ve only been riding 2 years and I can put the 1500 into full lock figure of 8s, U turns and circles, no trouble what soever, using the brake / clutch method, it does work, believe me. With only just learning to ride just over 2 years ago, this is the method that they teach riders nowerdays, when I first started to do u turns I was doing them too slow with the bike bolt upright, need to be at a quick walking pace so as to lean the bike in slightly, the more you practice the tighter the turns WILL get, and to look where you want to end up, not where you are. This is also the info I had from the forum members here, Good Luck. Art.