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Recently bought 94 SE trike with 22,500 miles. Real nice shape. I'm healing up from totaling my 05 Roadstar and have only been able to ride around the yard a couple times.:( any how the bike runs greats and wants to get out on the road! Tomorrow my cast comes off so it won't be long:action:. I've looked through these pages and haven't found anything to tell me when the timing belts should start to be suspect. Do you get poor running and other warnings to alert you or is here some way to check them? Bike hasn't been sitting for long periods just not ridden much. Thanks for your advice, Bob
 

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Recently bought 94 SE trike with 22,500 miles. Real nice shape. I'm healing up from totaling my 05 Roadstar and have only been able to ride around the yard a couple times.:( any how the bike runs greats and wants to get out on the road! Tomorrow my cast comes off so it won't be long:action:. I've looked through these pages and haven't found anything to tell me when the timing belts should start to be suspect. Do you get poor running and other warnings to alert you or is here some way to check them? Bike hasn't been sitting for long periods just not ridden much. Thanks for your advice, Bob
The Honda service manual recommends inspect/replace if necessary at 100,000 miles. Some folks will say change them at 10 years, that is not a recommendation from Honda. It's just something that someone dreamed up a few years ago and they started posting it on message boards. After a while folks started taking it as the gospel.

I have seen several 1989 - 1993 Gold Wing's with 130,000 plus miles and the timing belts were still good.

My '99 Wing has 157,000 miles on the timing belts and no problems. I'll probably change them in another 20 - 30k miles.

It's a personal choice but one of the items that gets changed way too often on many Gold Wing's.

If it were my bike/trike, I would not be worried about the timing belts.
 

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With the consequences that can go with blowing a belt I can understand the need for caution, but it should be tempered with a measure of common sense, methinks.
I'll rest easier now :)

Bob
 

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...It's a personal choice but one of the items that gets changed way too often on many Gold Wing's....
Pretty much my opinion also.. I do think agecan bea factor, not just miles and you are coming up on 15 years... Even if you use the common automotive manufacturers standards, they are in the range of 60k to 80k... 5 years

Just in my keeping track over the last 3 or 4 years on this forum and a couple others, for every reported timing belt failure, there have been 5 reported engines damaged byimproper installations (that have admitted it)... I suspect it is even more..

So if it were me, I would do it (or have it done) as a winter project and make sure it is done correctly. I don't think there is an urgency, but these belts are made somewhat like tires and 15 years is getting on the ragged edge for me on age..
 

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I think 15 years is pushing it. Were it mine I would change them before riding. Once in a great while someone will mention that they heard a whining and found a belt about to fail or it failed right at startup, but 95% of the time there is no warning just engine damage. The amount ofdamage is generally determined by the RPM at the point of failure. So it could be a couple of hundred in damage or a couple of Thousand. Anyway I think I would be scared with 15 year old belts myself.

Oh and I believe that Sandie is 100% correct, more engines are damaged by guys not following the procedure correctly than by belt failures.
 

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I think 15 years is pushing it. Were it mine I would change them before riding. Once in a great while someone will mention that they heard a whining and found a belt about to fail or it failed right at startup, but 95% of the time there is no warning just engine damage. The amount ofdamage is generally determined by the RPM at the point of failure. So it could be a couple of hundred in damage or a couple of Thousand. Anyway I think I would be scared with 15 year old belts myself.

Oh and I believe that Sandie is 100% correct, more engines are damaged by guys not following the procedure correctly than by belt failures.
Usually when timing belts whine, it's because someone installed them too tight (not enough slack between the run)

I have seen many 1988 - 1995 Gold Wing's with the original timing belts.

We just changed the timing belts on my friends 1989 Trike last year. Upon close inspection (and I mean close inspection and testing the belts), they were still in excellent condition. The bike was only 19 years old at the time with 130,000 miles. Matter of fact, they were not even loose. This is just one of many many examples I have personally looked at.

But it's a personal decision, if it makes folks "sleep better at night", then change them.

I usually prefer to base some things on experience. That's usually a pretty good teacher.

I personally would like to hear how many timing belts have broken/failed. Personally, I don't know of any. But that's just my experience from having ridden Gold Wing's since 1979. Yours may differ...!
 

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As a precaution I changed the belts on my 83 when I got it. The bike had been sitting in a backyard for ~6 years.

43k miles, they looked to be in very good shape despite the age.
 

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Just taken my 1988 Gl 1500 in to have my belts done for the first time this week at the local dealers. the mechanic descibed them as loose and on the maximum adjustment. There was no signs of perishing could of gone to 100000 miles but could of broken tomorrow all i know is that after 22 years i now have piece of mind on this area. I may change them earlier next time, may be 20 years! unless the cost is prohibitive! lol!
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i sleep better at night just knowing-----------------
 

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Changed out mine on the 84/Asp., at 90K miles... just for knowing it was done.... belts looked good, but....ya never know.....age does things...
 

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i sleep better at night just knowing-----------------
Yea me too. Just because it has not happened to me does not mean I can't learn from other peoples mistakes/ misfortunes. In the last 5 years I haveheard of at least 20 belts breaking. Everything from a simple valve kiss with minor damage blended out withsandpaperto trashing a complete engine. I suspect many of these failures were from excessive sitting in one position creating a stess in the core of the belt and leading to it's failure as the bike was placed back into service. As cheap as belts are I think I willstick with 50,000 or 5 years or if I don't know they get changed before I run the bike.

I am very familiar with the whine of a tight belt. That is a very common problem for people that should not be working on bikes because theycan not follow directions. What I was referring to is a couple of cases where a belt started to fail and created a whine and the rider had enough knowledge to get the bike shut down prior to complete failure and saved their engines. The was one case here on this board a couple of years agoand one on NGW. One was ridingin his local township and the other was upon startup getting ready for a ride.

It's your money and your ride. You make your own decisions.
 

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I suspect many of these failures were from excessive sitting in one position creating a stess in the core of the belt and leading to it's failure as the bike was placed back into service.


My experience is based on bikes that are ridden on a regular basis. Everyone knows it is not good for bikes to sit around most of the time.
 

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Had to jump in with my 2 cents, I had my bike over 12 years and did my belt change about 10 yrs. ago, and now a short version of my story :D!! Waited too long for a belt change, back-fired, either skipped several teeth or stretched belt, put new belts on and was very lucky no damage was done!!! My own ignorance almost cost me my Bike :shock:...., so it's really your call but any doubt CHANGE THEM!!!!!!!!! The cost of belts are alot cheaper then the cost of whatever damage they may do if broken or stretched ;);)!! Good Luck and a Nice looking Bike!!! :cooldj:Bob
 

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Bike...and Dennis wrote:
You guys mean I shouldn't be changing my belts every time I do an oil change? :?
:DI need to lube my deer alerts:shock:
 

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my feedback. I just got my 81 and i have no clue what the history is on her. and it is bugging me immensely not knowing whether the belts or tension bearings are shot. I have already bought the belts, just waiting for the right weekend. then i will probably go for 100k before i think about them again. she only has 59k right now.. but the not knowing how long she was sitting, they are cheap.. for peace of mind, i say change them, then YOU know and go whatever distance after.
 

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:)hi recently bought wing95 SE27000 mile,been stood for 2 years,only done 3000 miles 5 yearsbefore that.New belts cost £36with the excellent advice on here it was fairly straight forward job took 4 hours didnt rush,but did replace coolant as well.

The original belts did look good but.Did nt want engine build i could not afford.

Engine sounded much sweeter after belt change.belt change time is a lot less that stripping engine finding valve :gunhead:damage



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Had to jump in with my 2 cents, I had my bike over 12 years and did my belt change about 10 yrs. ago, and now a short version of my story :D!! Waited too long for a belt change, back-fired, either skipped several teeth or stretched belt, put new belts on and was very lucky no damage was done!!! My own ignorance almost cost me my Bike :shock:...., so it's really your call but any doubt CHANGE THEM!!!!!!!!! The cost of belts are alot cheaper then the cost of whatever damage they may do if broken or stretched ;);)!! Good Luck and a Nice looking Bike!!! :cooldj:Bob
Bob, Did the belts cause the "backfire" or did another source cause the backfire??

There is a difference!

If the backfire was from another source (and that's quite possible), then I would not blame the belts. The problem could have had no relationship to timing belts regardless of wear or age.

Backfires can be caused by more sources than just timing belts....!
 

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It all depends on your 'worry' tolerance.I changed out the belts of everyGoldwing I've owned, including those I refurbished to sell, if I didn't know their history. I changed the belts on my '93 when I got it and will change them next year when they are five years old with about 60,000 miles on them. Yep, it's overkill, probably could have gone forever without changing them but it makes me feel better. Add to that the 1500 is the easiest 'Wing to change belts on because the radiators are not in the way. Why not, if it gives me oneless thingto worry about?
 

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Paul, I have also changed a few timing belts on GL1500's. I agree, they are easy to do. The last ones I changed were on a 1989, did that while installing a pulse rotor (commonly known as a trigger wheel) that advanced the timing. The 1988 - 1989's had an off idle hesitation, Honda had a fix (not a recall item) to hopefully correct the problem. However, advancing the timing greatly reduced the hesitation. This problem was correct on the 1990 year bikes.

That was the '89 with 130,000 miles. I agree, if it worries you then go ahead and change them.

I usually don't worry until I know it's time to perform various maintenance on my bike and I do keep detailed records of my maintenance.

With 157,000 miles on my GL1500 with no problems, maybe I am doing something right. Of course I purchased it new and therefor have a good baseline to work from. That's very important.

If I purchased a pre-owned bike, I would perform all maintenance items so I had a good baseline to work from. Unless I could be reassured "without a doubt" about the bikes maintenance records.
 
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