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Well, he died for his cause. :sadguy:

 

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Geezerglider wrote:

Well, he died for his cause. :sadguy:

Yes indeed. :sadguy:
The press will have a field day with that story.

 

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I really planned on commenting on this but it's such a volatile issue I think I'll avoid it for now. I'm still too new here to want to make enemies; not that I would if I were an oldtimer here either. I happen to like it here and it's been a great help to me. This is not just an issue of freedom of choice or individual freedoms (as much as people might want to argue that it is - it's more then that) and often emotion impedes the free exchange of ideas. For now I think I'll just follow the heated debate to come.

My sympathies to his family.

 

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I don't think he helped the cause at all.....waiting on the rederick to start



opcorn:

 

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Fritz_The_Cat wrote:

Troopers said that Contos hit his brakes, the motorcycle fishtailed and went out of control and Contos went over the handlebars. Troopers said Contos would have likely survived if he had been wearing a helmet.

So what really happened? You lock up your brakes, fishtail and go over the handlebars? Sounds like they're not telling me something.

But of course, as always, the helmet would have saved him. (Implied without proof)

 

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I feel sorry for his family, but not for him. He made a choice, a statement, and a mark on the pavement. Shame for the Wife and kids, tho.

 

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glhonda wrote:

Fritz_The_Cat wrote:

Troopers said that Contos hit his brakes, the motorcycle fishtailed and went out of control and Contos went over the handlebars. Troopers said Contos would have likely survived if he had been wearing a helmet.

So what really happened? You lock up your brakes, fishtail and go over the handlebars? Sounds like they're not telling me something.

But of course, as always, the helmet would have saved him. (Implied without proof)

...it's the NY Post. You know they're not telling you something. They're as Right as it gets mainstream, with the State Police being Conservatively strong...

"He would've likely survived if he were wearing French-cut panties." ...Makes as much sense. Most Departments forbid any of their Officers from taking any political position publically. Who knows what the Post is up to. It's NY.

Whyselect-out the "Troopers"?

 

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glhonda wrote:

Fritz_The_Cat wrote:

Troopers said that Contos hit his brakes, the motorcycle fishtailed and went out of control and Contos went over the handlebars. Troopers said Contos would have likely survived if he had been wearing a helmet.

So what really happened? You lock up your brakes, fishtail and go over the handlebars? Sounds like they're not telling me something.

But of course, as always, the helmet would have saved him. (Implied without proof)

Everybody knows that Troopers are also certified medical examiners that can look into the crystal ball that show our parallel universe, so they know exactly what WOULD have happen. If this sounds of sarcasm, Good, That means I didn't waste it.

 

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Troopers said Contos would have likely survived if he had been wearing a helmet.

Where's the opinion of the medical professionals?

Maybe if he had a helmet on, we'd have another episode of Veggie Tales!

Maybe he'd be living for the rest of his life paid for by other taxpayers!

opcorn:

 

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CaptainMidnight85 wrote:

"He would've likely survived if he were wearing French-cut panties." ...Makes as much sense.

Funny as that might be, the truth of it is that you're right.

Who's to say he wouldn't have landed on the helmet wrong and broken his neck?
Who's to say he wouldn't have died of a heart issue when he hit the ground?
Who's to say he wouldn't have broken his leg in 15 places and died of gangrene a month from now?

A State Trooper? With little to no medical training beyond rudimentary first aid skills? Sounds like a pretty reliable source of what would have happened if things were different to me, how 'bout you?

I absolutely HATE it when snooze sources use politically charged statements such as this to promote their views on an issue. :X

 

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Its just sad that a rider was lost ,helmet or no helmet
thinking of his family . raying:

 

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If he died of a head injury then a helmet might have improved the odds of his survival. I don't see how anyone can argue that point. He made a choice and I believe he should have that choice. I don't always wear a helmet just most of yhe time. It is my choice. I make it and whatever is my responsiblity. I pay the price and iI am well insured to cover what I might need if my choice was a bad one.

 

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Well me personnaly, I don't think I should be "forced" to wear a helmet. Missouri is a helmet state, but when I TRAVEL to Ak or KS I usually still wear my helmet. Now I make myself my own rules too like: If i decide not to wear a helmet I'll only do so on the interstate, never on two lane. jmo

 

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dsmastern wrote:

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Troopers said Contos would have likely survived if he had been wearing a helmet.

Where's the opinion of the medical professionals?

All the cops said was "Troopers said Contos would have likely survived if he had been wearing a helmet" which is an assumption on their part, and possibly a fair one to make.

 

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We will never know if wearing a helmet might have saved the rider. It's a safe assumption that he wouldnt have cracked his head on the road and died of head injuries. He could have broken his neck instead as a previous poster suggested. Either way, his death won't have done any good for the no helmet camp.

 

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Our laws are here to protect you.
The "No helmet" laws are here to protect your rights.
You have the right to ride without a helmet and everyone here supports your right.
I am lucky to live in a state that gives us that right.

Unimportant facts: Really not enough to worry about.

The number of deaths on motorcycles in 2007 per mile traveled was about 37 times the number in cars.
But, we expect that, given the nature of being on a Motorcycle in an accident

There were only 5,112 fatalities among motorcyclists in 2008 — This is less than in automobiles

Except that this was more than double the number in 1997, but death is quicker than pain and suffering, so it is unimportant, we have our rights!

BTW, 2008 was the highest number of motorcyclists killed in one year since the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration began collecting fatal motor vehicle crash data in 1975. In contrast, both 2008 and 2009 marked record lows for passenger vehicle occupant deaths. (I know, this data is a couple of years old now, perhaps it has gotten better)

On July 1 2000, the State of Florida exempted adult motorcyclist and moped riders from wearing helmets provided they have medical insurance of $10 000. Analysis estimates a 48.6% increase in motorcycle occupant deaths the year after the law change. (I wonder, did the $10,000.00 even need to get paid out. Well, perhaps the EMTs, the ambulance service, life-flight and Emergency Room doctors received their due. They did have a bit of work to do).

I know it is really unimportant and does not even deserve mentioning, but, If you are hit, it affects a lot of other people. We accept the fact it is unimportant that you might very well have survived. (You, know, the pain and suffering of survival being what it is)
We really support your right to die without pain and suffering. It is our right too, that is, if we live in a favorable state like Florida.

Don't worry, my insurance will cover your family's loss.
In fact, if you are only brain damaged, it will also cover your rehab.

It is truly your choice and every driver supports your right by throwing a couple of hundred dollars a year towards our insurance premiums. Freedom is what this country is all about and freedom has a cost. We all know that, so please, just be safe.. We will take care of your family should they ever need it.

I mean, if we were really worried about safety, we would all travel by car, but instead we are a community of Motorcyclists. We are always at risk.
I wonder, do we even need to wear shoes? (Oh, yeah, there is probably a law about that. I think that was settled in the Murphy vs asphalt case)

Life is an adventure.
Enjoy life.

 

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The story made Good Morning America's broadcast on ABC this morning.

To those of you bashing the Troopers statement look at it again. ...would LIKELY have survived... They don't say he for sure would have survived, but that it is likely he would have. That is their opinion based on their experience and training in accident investigation.

 

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DougW wrote:

The story made Good Morning America's broadcast on ABC this morning.

To those of you bashing the Troopers statement look at it again. ...would LIKELY have survived... They don't say he for sure would have survived, but that it is likely he would have. That is their opinion based on their experience and training in accident investigation.

For me, it's got nothing to do with what the "Trooper" said as quoted. It's the fact that the NY Post is putting the NY State Police in the forefront.

"Police say a motorcyclist..."

"State troopers tell... > ...was driving a 1983 Harley Davidson with a group of bikers..."

"Troopers said..."

"Troopers said..."

That story in the link is very precisely crafted and molded. From "motorcyclist participating" to "bikers protesting" in two paragraphs, ...all validated by the State Police.

Like I said, it's the Post. One of the reasons I moved from the East Coast.

Surreptitious Brain-Washing-Opinion-Fodder for those that cannot think for themselves.


Edit: Any 12 year-old by-standing kid could'vew reached the same conclusion without help.

 

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While I respect that a group of people choose to stand up for what they believe in; i.e. maintaining the right to decide for themselves whether to wear a helmet or not, to me personally, choosing not to wear a helmet is a poor choice. I'm not really an ATGATT guy as I wear jeans vs riding pants most of the time... but I wear jacket, gloves & a full face helmet all the time when I ride.

 

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PM to Daryl Martel;

There really should not be a choice. Riding without a helmet is like riding without . It is just plain foolish! But, without starting a flame war, all we can do is let them realize it is not just a personal decision, it involves everyone. We all pay for their foolish righteousness, (I mean right). Once you see the damage, you understand the value.

Ride Safe.. Life is the most important decision, so choose life.

Just a note: This response, the one in this box and directly above, was not supposed to be an open response, I thought I had sent it as a private message. Sadly, it does restate what I had previously posted, but in a more blunt and direct way, so I deserve the fingers pointed in my direction. As a personal note, I do feel sorry for the injured rider and have prayed for his friends and family.

raying: Regardless of the opinions we each hold, we are all brothers and pretty much share the same freedoms.

 

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CaptainMidnight85 wrote:

It's the fact that the NY Post is putting the NY State Police in the forefront.

They always do that in any story where the police get involved. Right or wrong, that's what the press do.

 

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Having personal experience with accidents and helmets, both in race cars and on motorcycles, and having ruined a couple of helmets, you can bet that I wear my helmet. Now, I'm not going to bash this man for what he believed in or died for, but I do feel sorry for his family over his death, and even though I feel that he might had made a poor decision, it was his decision to make. He was an adult, and he thought he knew what he was doing.

Gene:byebye:

 

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Every man woman and child should learn the value of standing up for what they believe in.Right or wrong in someone elses eyes is not the point.Its to have the guts to stand for what we believe in.Grant you there is a right way and wrong way (depending on who you ask).For me the issue here is not what I believe or you believe but that a fellow rider lost his life standing for what he believed in.Free will and choice...what a wonderful thing.Prayers to the family and his fellow brothers and sisters.

 

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Ferrarimx5 wrote:

There really should not be a choice. Riding without a helmet is like riding without shoes . It is just plain foolish! But, without starting a flame war, all we can do is let them realize it is not just a personal decision, it involves everyone. We all pay for their foolish righteousness, (I mean right). Once you see the damage, you understand the value.

There really should not be a choice. Riding on two wheels is like jumping out of an airplane without a parachute. It is just plain foolish! But, without starting a flame war, (Oh brother!) all we can do is let them realize it is not just a personal decision, it involves everyone. We all pay for their foolish righteousness, (I mean right). Once you see the damage, you understand the value.

I guess it all depends on who's bleachers you're sitting in.