Fritz_The_Cat
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I guess it's a matter of trust. When I bought a '86A this last March, the PO had no problems letting me to the Test Ride. In May when I bought my 1500A, I bought that on *-bay so it was paid for. When I got there he told me to Test Ride it & I didn't like it , he would refund the money. Since I took a bus 600+ miles to get there, I knew I wasn't coming home empty handed.
When I sold the 1200A, I had no problems letting the buyer to the Test Ride.I made sure that he did have the class "M" on his DL.His SUV was parked in my driveway so I knew he would have to come back.
Not EVERYBODY in the world is a crook, and it is a sad day when no one can trust anyone.
I guess it's a matter of trust. When I bought a '86A this last March, the PO had no problems letting me to the Test Ride. In May when I bought my 1500A, I bought that on *-bay so it was paid for. When I got there he told me to Test Ride it & I didn't like it , he would refund the money. Since I took a bus 600+ miles to get there, I knew I wasn't coming home empty handed.
When I sold the 1200A, I had no problems letting the buyer to the Test Ride.I made sure that he did have the class "M" on his DL.His SUV was parked in my driveway so I knew he would have to come back.
Not EVERYBODY in the world is a crook, and it is a sad day when no one can trust anyone.
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I don't know what the answer is, but all I know is that there is NO WAY I would spend thousands of dollars on a bike until I test drive it. At least once.
I don't know what the answer is, but all I know is that there is NO WAY I would spend thousands of dollars on a bike until I test drive it. At least once.
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Los Angeles, in the Winnetka district no less. How stupid can you be? It belongs to an LA gang now if it isn't in Mexico..
You can't even get test rides at a dealer in California anymore because of the wheelie-jerks! You wanna ride, you buy, period, it's yours if you wreck it.
Los Angeles, in the Winnetka district no less. How stupid can you be? It belongs to an LA gang now if it isn't in Mexico..
You can't even get test rides at a dealer in California anymore because of the wheelie-jerks! You wanna ride, you buy, period, it's yours if you wreck it.
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I see both sides, but there is just to much to lose by allowing a test ride. And it's not because everybody out there is a criminal. They may have no bad intentions, and still damage the bike, a bike that is new to them, and that they are not familiar with. There must be an answer to this dilemma, but I don't know what it is. Having a class M endorsement means that the person may be able to ride a Rebel, but it gives you no clue as to their riding history, skill, experience, etc. Allowing someone to ride a $25,000 Goldwing is something to be taken seriously. When I bought my 1200, which was a beater, I met the seller at his workplace, let him hold the money, and just rode it around the parking lot. I would not have expected that had it been a really nice, really expensive bike.
This may sound far fetched, and it probably is, but when faced with the possibility of a huge loss, I would even consider getting an attorney involved, to make sure this person had the resources to pay for the bike if they damaged it, and that they signed a legal document agreeing to pay for it if they damaged it.
I see both sides, but there is just to much to lose by allowing a test ride. And it's not because everybody out there is a criminal. They may have no bad intentions, and still damage the bike, a bike that is new to them, and that they are not familiar with. There must be an answer to this dilemma, but I don't know what it is. Having a class M endorsement means that the person may be able to ride a Rebel, but it gives you no clue as to their riding history, skill, experience, etc. Allowing someone to ride a $25,000 Goldwing is something to be taken seriously. When I bought my 1200, which was a beater, I met the seller at his workplace, let him hold the money, and just rode it around the parking lot. I would not have expected that had it been a really nice, really expensive bike.
This may sound far fetched, and it probably is, but when faced with the possibility of a huge loss, I would even consider getting an attorney involved, to make sure this person had the resources to pay for the bike if they damaged it, and that they signed a legal document agreeing to pay for it if they damaged it.
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JerryH wrote:
if the motorcycle in question is a rarity, one-of-a-kind, or worth something over $50,000 then you need to be more certain of the sincerity of the person wanting to ride it.
Anything less than that, normal liability and comprehensive insurance applies. I've got mine, you've got yours, and if something happens it just gets solved. No one's rates would go up in the case of the state of California.
But are we all focusing on just messing up the bike? Bit narrow focus perhaps?
Even if your bike was being test-ridden and t-boned a car, or hit a person, so long as responsible people are in play, it's covered.
I guess that's what this is boiling down to - are YOU being a responsible enough person to check and make sure the OTHER person is cut from the same cloth. If you're NOT doing your due-dilligence, then - shame on you. Something will catch up to you if you keep that behaviour going.
If you are doing you due dilligence, snapped a photo of the person's DL, and saw that they have liability insurance on whatever vehicle carried them to you, then you're pretty set.
Getting an attorney to write a contract over a test rideof a 4-digit value item? Uhhhhhh, no.
JerryH wrote:
It does sound far-fetched.
if the motorcycle in question is a rarity, one-of-a-kind, or worth something over $50,000 then you need to be more certain of the sincerity of the person wanting to ride it.
Anything less than that, normal liability and comprehensive insurance applies. I've got mine, you've got yours, and if something happens it just gets solved. No one's rates would go up in the case of the state of California.
But are we all focusing on just messing up the bike? Bit narrow focus perhaps?
Even if your bike was being test-ridden and t-boned a car, or hit a person, so long as responsible people are in play, it's covered.
I guess that's what this is boiling down to - are YOU being a responsible enough person to check and make sure the OTHER person is cut from the same cloth. If you're NOT doing your due-dilligence, then - shame on you. Something will catch up to you if you keep that behaviour going.
If you are doing you due dilligence, snapped a photo of the person's DL, and saw that they have liability insurance on whatever vehicle carried them to you, then you're pretty set.
Getting an attorney to write a contract over a test rideof a 4-digit value item? Uhhhhhh, no.
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rgbeard wrote:
rgbeard wrote:
You might want to talk to your insurance agent. A long time ago, I ask mine about who is responsible if I lent my vehicle to a friend or family member. My agent said that it is the vehicle OWNERS insurance not the individuals (who ever is driving yourvehicle) insurance that provides the protection. At least that is the way it is in Illinois.JerryH wrote:It does sound far-fetched.
if the motorcycle in question is a rarity, one-of-a-kind, or worth something over $50,000 then you need to be more certain of the sincerity of the person wanting to ride it.
Anything less than that, normal liability and comprehensive insurance applies. I've got mine, you've got yours, and if something happens it just gets solved. No one's rates would go up in the case of the state of California.
But are we all focusing on just messing up the bike? Bit narrow focus perhaps?
Even if your bike was being test-ridden and t-boned a car, or hit a person, so long as responsible people are in play, it's covered.
I guess that's what this is boiling down to - are YOU being a responsible enough person to check and make sure the OTHER person is cut from the same cloth. If you're NOT doing your due-dilligence, then - shame on you. Something will catch up to you if you keep that behaviour going.
If you are doing you due dilligence, snapped a photo of the person's DL, and saw that they have liability insurance on whatever vehicle carried them to you, then you're pretty set.
Getting an attorney to write a contract over a test rideof a 4-digit value item? Uhhhhhh, no.
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galaxyhunter wrote:
Up here the insurance companies are not thrilled about the M/C business.
galaxyhunter wrote:
The insurance claim follows the owner here too. Tickets follow the driver / rider. Rates could double or triple if there is a major claim. Over a five year period that could add up to a five figure tab added to the base rate. You might even get denied insurance.rgbeard wrote:You might want to talk to your insurance agent. A long time ago, I ask mine about who is responsible if I lent my vehicle to a friend or family member. My agent said that it is the vehicle OWNERS insurance not the individuals (who ever is driving yourvehicle) insurance that provides the protection. At least that is the way it is in Illinois.JerryH wrote:It does sound far-fetched.
if the motorcycle in question is a rarity, one-of-a-kind, or worth something over $50,000 then you need to be more certain of the sincerity of the person wanting to ride it.
Anything less than that, normal liability and comprehensive insurance applies. I've got mine, you've got yours, and if something happens it just gets solved. No one's rates would go up in the case of the state of California.
But are we all focusing on just messing up the bike? Bit narrow focus perhaps?
Even if your bike was being test-ridden and t-boned a car, or hit a person, so long as responsible people are in play, it's covered.
I guess that's what this is boiling down to - are YOU being a responsible enough person to check and make sure the OTHER person is cut from the same cloth. If you're NOT doing your due-dilligence, then - shame on you. Something will catch up to you if you keep that behaviour going.
If you are doing you due dilligence, snapped a photo of the person's DL, and saw that they have liability insurance on whatever vehicle carried them to you, then you're pretty set.
Getting an attorney to write a contract over a test rideof a 4-digit value item? Uhhhhhh, no.
Up here the insurance companies are not thrilled about the M/C business.
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Thanks for this post. I now know how I can keep my SEi AND get a newer GL1800!
-pre-paid cell phone. Check.
-Giant ba**s. Check
Thanks for this post. I now know how I can keep my SEi AND get a newer GL1800!
-pre-paid cell phone. Check.
-Giant ba**s. Check
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I am also of the opinion that there will be no test rides without money in hand. However I have sold 4 bikes from my driveway. No one has ever asked for a test ride. When I sold my 1100i the guy told me to take his wife for a ride because she was the one who needed to know if it was more comfortable than their 750k. I did, she liked, he bought.
I am also of the opinion that there will be no test rides without money in hand. However I have sold 4 bikes from my driveway. No one has ever asked for a test ride. When I sold my 1100i the guy told me to take his wife for a ride because she was the one who needed to know if it was more comfortable than their 750k. I did, she liked, he bought.
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A couple of years ago a good friend of mine was selling a '05 Honda VT1300. A guy called from another town and wanted to come check it out. He looked it over and made him a offer depending on the test ride. Well he rode off on the bike and was gone for quite a while. My buddy was worried that he had crashed the bike so he went to look for him. No sign of him. So he called the cops who came out to investigate. The guy had left is truck there so they called it in to see who the owner was and you quessed it. The truck had been stolen! So my buddies out a motorcycle and any cash it would have brought since he only had liability insurance on it:X.
A couple of years ago a good friend of mine was selling a '05 Honda VT1300. A guy called from another town and wanted to come check it out. He looked it over and made him a offer depending on the test ride. Well he rode off on the bike and was gone for quite a while. My buddy was worried that he had crashed the bike so he went to look for him. No sign of him. So he called the cops who came out to investigate. The guy had left is truck there so they called it in to see who the owner was and you quessed it. The truck had been stolen! So my buddies out a motorcycle and any cash it would have brought since he only had liability insurance on it:X.
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